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Discusses controversy around Slay the Spire 2 and the idea of making clear who should be involved in a game's development.
Asmongold weighs in on Slay the Spire 2, Anita Sarkeesian, and the ethics of inviting activists into games, urging viewers to downvote and vocalize disapproval to shape the industry.
Summary
Asmongold dives into the controversy surrounding Slay the Spire 2, focusing on Anita Sarkeesian’s involvement and the broader implications for the gaming industry. He argues that audiences should make their stance clear when they don’t want certain figures associated with a game, using Steam review trends as a barometer. He cites how Anita Sarkeesian’s prior activism has shaped perceptions of gender in games and contends that her presence in the credits is a problem for many fans. Throughout the discussion, Asmongold emphasizes that downvoting and negative reviews are legitimate tools for consumers to express their dissatisfaction and to deter similar hires in the future. He also pushes back against the idea that cancel culture is purely negative, contending that aggressive tactics can be a form of protest when used to defend the community from what he sees as ideological intrusion. The stream weaves between a nuanced take on whether Slay the Spire 2 is actually woke and a more extreme stance on how to respond when industry figures cross lines, ultimately arguing that the goal is to preserve a gaming environment free from activist influence. He acknowledges mixed feelings about the game’s quality while insisting the core issue is the perceived politicization of development. The piece closes with a call to the community to actively punish decisions they deem harmful, even if that means engaging in heated debate or invoking aggressive tactics.
Key Takeaways
- Downvoting and negative reviews are framed as a legitimate consumer tool to express disapproval of a game’s association with controversial figures.
- Asmongold highlights Anita Sarkeesian’s history and influence as a catalyst for debate about who should be involved in game development.
- Steam review visibility and the Steam DB graph are cited as ways to gauge community sentiment and controversy around Slay the Spire 2.
- The discussion links activist involvement in games to broader cancel-culture dynamics, advocating for strong community pushback to deter similar hires.
- The host acknowledges the game’s quality but argues that including activists in credits fundamentally changes the product’s reception.
Who Is This For?
Essential viewing for gamers who care about how personalities and activism intersect with game development, and for fans of Asmongold who want a perspective on consumer power and industry pushback.
Notable Quotes
"Check the Steam reviews. The [__] is crazy."
—Illustrates his interest in Steam review trends as evidence of consumer response.
"Slay the Spire 2 had Anita Sarkeesian in the credits. Let me go and see if I can show you guys what this means."
—Marks the central controversy of her involvement in the game.
"We as a community will make the environment so unpleasant and unwelcoming for those people that there will be a massive cost for anybody who wants to enable them."
—States the proposed tactic for countering activist involvement.
"Hiring her was a choice and a deliberate one."
—Emphasizes the responsibility of developers and the impact of staffing decisions.
"The point is that people like her are not welcome inside of the gaming environment."
—Summarizes his core stance on activist influence in gaming.
Questions This Video Answers
- How does Anita Sarkeesian’s history influence the debate over Slay the Spire 2’s credits?
- Should players downvote games to protest activist involvement in development?
- What are the ethical boundaries of activism in video game development?
- Did Steam reviews reliably reflect public sentiment about Slay the Spire 2?
- How does cancel culture affect game studios and player communities?
Slay the Spire 2Anita SarkeesianSteam reviewscancel culturegame development ethicsAsmongold
Full Transcript
Uh, what's your opinion on Slay the Spire 2? Bait and switching people with hiring Anita Sarkeesian. I don't know if they hired. I don't know how she was involved at all. Uh, my opinion on the Slay the Spire stuff. I I know that like my opinion is that you should try to make it as known as possible that you don't want to have certain people involved in your products. I think that's the main thing. and review bombing and negatively reviewing a game is one of the only ways that a consumer can actually show and express that.
Check the Steam reviews. The [ __ ] is crazy. Let me see here. Slay the Spire to Steam. I haven't seen this at all. It says it's a 4.6 mostly neg 35. Holy [ __ ] What curate? Well, what about actual reviews? Like there's more than 200 reviews. Yeah, I feel like most of these are positive. Like I feel like a lot of these are are most helpful. Well, how about I I'll look at most recent maybe if you want to have ask me a couple of days ago. Anita Sarkeesian. Love Slate Despire 2. Anita Sarkeesian again. Uh, a fun game ruined by activists.
People are downvoting it. So, if you want me to give my actually my show that watch the graph. Where's the graph? Can I see the graph? I've never seen this graph before. Where can I look at the graph and find it? Separate the art from the artist. I don't think that makes sense in this circumstance because this is the artist doing the art. Steam DB. Uh I I just I I'm just not familiar with it. Oh, this is it. Okay, we've got a link to it. Okay, that's fine. Oh my god. Holy [ __ ] Wow. That's brutal.
Uh so a lot of so okay so this is basically uh who Anita Sarkeesian is. Uh she was an activist that was a game reviewer. She had a like a group called feminist frequency and because of this group she was one of the original people that was the in the genesis of Gamergate. She was one of the people that was trying to at the very beginning push ideology into video games. try to invent things about how all video games are sexist and they need to remove any sort of depiction of women that is sexy and basically a lot of the things that I complain about many of the reasons why they changed were because of people like Anita Sarkeesian and that's basically what happened and a lot of what she did is she made a lot a lot of the comparisons and arguments that she made were just awful by the way they were like factually incorrect they didn't make any sense.
They were illogical and ultimately people just went along with it because, you know, basically agreeing with everything that a feminist said back then was just what you had to do. Lots of people were downplaying her impact on the gaming sphere. Yeah, she made a huge impact on the gaming sphere and she even spoke at the UN about this. So, it's not like this is some random person that came out of nowhere. The historical revisionism with Anita is so [ __ ] wild to see. Y'all pretending like all she ever did was be a quaint Kickstarter with no one cared about.
Yeah. again like this is her at the UN. This is Time 100. This is on I didn't even know about Stephven Colbear. This is new to me. And this is at Google. So I think that really she represents the same type of PR correct cultural um you know change and like woke garbage that I think a lot of people dislike. I think a lot of people dislike it and I I hate it. I absolutely hate it. So, basically what happened is Slay the Spire 2 had Anita Sarkeesian in the credits. Let me go and see if I can show you guys what this means.
Uh, yeah. Okay. Just so you can just see the image, right? So, she's in the credits for Slay the Spire 2. You can see consultant and she is a consultant. And so, a lot of people are very angry about this and I think that they have every right to be. If you want me to be honest, I do. And here's the reason why is that fundamentally these people have come into the gaming sphere and they have infected the gaming sphere with their ideology. And I don't I I know I think XQC was making fun of it.
I disagree with them about this. I think that this is one of the only ways that you can express that you don't want these kinds of people in the industry is that if you can do that whenever you rate the game down, you say the game is bad. And I think Slay the Spire 2 is an amazing game, but why would you take and bring in an activist that is, you know, really known for misrepresenting, damaging, and trying to force change into gaming that was going against very clearly the majority of what gamers wanted. Why would you do that?
So, Western gaming. Yeah. Exactly. Cancer of a cancer is is still it's bad no matter how small it is. Exactly. And so I think that it's very good to create as much of an unpleasant and unwelcoming environment for a person like that as possible. And anybody saying that it doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, I want you to keep in mind that those people probably agree with her. So they're not telling you that because they think that. Many of the people that are telling you that are telling you that so they can make you stop doing it so they can keep doing what they want.
That's all it comes down to. How long was the game developed for? Could it be possible? She was an early consultant and got dropped later on. Yeah, I don't think it really means a whole lot. But I think also at the same time, it's important to make sure that you express that you don't like having a person like that inside of the development of a product. So that's really it. It's actually insane they remotely showed interest in her. Yeah. So, what kind of a company would hire somebody with such an extensive track record of being controversial and trying to force an ideology into a video game?
And so, by the fact of them doing that, you further enable and you normalize a person like that in the community. And I think that it's important to show collectively that we don't want that. And if you a lot of Chinese uh negative reviews are recent, mention her. Yeah, the Chinese hate woke stuff even more than Americans do. They really hate woke stuff. They like they make me look woke. That's it. And so, have you seen a journalist's brutally attacked by leftists? No, I haven't seen that at all. Do you know how long the game's been in development?
Maybe it was from a long time ago. The thing is that that's not the point. It's not the point. The point is that she was involved. No reasonable person should have ever thought that that was a good idea. Never at all. And I think that really like how do we take back like our hobby? How do we take back our community? How do we change the culture? Here's the way that you do it. imposing a radical, extreme, oftentimes irrational, but totally shutting down anybody that's trying to enable the opposite. You go after it as hard as you possibly can.
It doesn't matter whether it's fair, whether it's justified, or anything else. You do it no matter what. And so, yeah, I think it's like kind of with Slay the Spire 2, like I'm kind of like in the middle about this because like, yeah, I don't know if she was involved really how much she was involved. I don't know really like uh, you know, like the game didn't really seem like it was woke at all, right? To me, it's just a video game. And on top of that, I think the game's very good. So, like with this specific circumstance, I totally I think that every negative review is completely justified.
It's totally justified. But the difference is that like again like I I don't know if I'd really leave a negative review myself. Does that make sense? It's about getting the point across. Yes. It's about making the point. And the point is that people like her are not welcome inside of the gaming environment. And we as a community will make the environment so unpleasant and unwelcoming for those people that there will be a massive cost for anybody who wants to enable them and bring them into the community against our consent. That's that that's what you do.
That's what you do. And I know it might seem extreme. It might seem unfair. Good. Don't do it again. Don't do it. Whether it is necessary or evil, doesn't matter. Do it do it no matter what. That's what I say. And she's the Iran of gaming. Yeah. Right. And uh anyway, they didn't care uh to be extreme to us either. Yeah. These are the same tactics. Keep in mind, these are the exact same tactics they would use on you. I will never ever ever not match force with other people that disagree with me. If they're willing to do it, I'm willing to do that and more.
And uh do you believe that you should leave a negative review? I mean, I I I don't know. Like I said, like I I gave my personal opinion on it, right? And uh so anyway, yeah, it looks like a lot of people are negative reviewing this, right? They're truly unfortunate circumstances. I mean, overwhelmingly, like most of these reviews are positive to be fair, right? But like it looks like should have made the door maker a girl. Okay. Um anyway, it is funny. PCO the cult consults for the game feel why. Yeah, I'll see what the most helpful reviews in the last week are.
Most helpful maybe this week. Yeah, I need to. Yeah, a lot of people are Oh man. This is good. I'm glad to see this. I'm proud of you guys. Always freak out. Always meltdown. Always overreact. And never leave your opponent any breathing room ever. That's the way it is. That's what I think. That's my opinion. She's the original mind virus. That's right. Can't wait for Wars of the Fallen 2. Well, there's other games, too. I I hope they can fix it and do that, right? And uh that's what I would say. Meanwhile, you actually have good steaming stuff like Stranger in Heaven coming out on Xbox.
Why' they need her for a card game? They didn't. And you know, it's like you're enabling and normalizing a person like that. You don't want to have that happen. Why freak out and massive downvote on generative AI is not bad, but this is both. Both are bad. Well, simple. I I think AI is good and I think she's bad. It's really simple. And also, by the way, those people would have massively downvoted NTE if they could because of the AI stuff. Yeah. It's because I agree with it. Like, duh. Like, what do you mean? It's a It's a principal battle.
Yeah. I don't care about any of that. Sounds liberal people. Yeah. And Well, I mean, the reason why you do it is because what those liberal people did works. Like cancel culture. the aggressive super vicious cancel culture that they created. It's effective. Of course, we should use it. Abs we we should use it and then do even more than that. So, that's what I think. It's my opinion. It's a form of protest. It is. It's a form of protest. Slay the Spire 2 is a great game. I love it. But you shouldn't hire people that are activists and normalize them inside an industry that they've been clearly uh you know like disliked in.
I'll read a few comments about this. How do you go further in cancel culture? I don't know. Like I I the community is creative. I I'll let them do it. Uh 40k down votes in a week is crazy work and they're still doing it, but it's now they're weaker than before. Well, yeah. Well, then your job isn't done, is it? Because they're still around. So, that's the way I'd see it. And, uh, Super Cancel Culture, how do you get bigger tits in games? You just keep asking for it, man. That's it. She's an active antagonist for all gaming industry.
Yeah. Not just dislike, but detrimental to the industry. Exactly. And uh, that's what I would say. Need to be eradicated. Totally agree. And if the game is good, I totally disagree with it. I completely disagree. If the game is good, that's the only criteria should that should be Um, so here's the problem with like what you're saying is that if the game is good, then that's the only thing that should matter. Do you think that the opposite side of people would apply that same reasoning to the AI? Do you think that they would apply that to AI?
Now, I have a follow-up to that one, too, and we'll go through this. In a perfect world, no. But I see the point. Do you think that they should do you did they apply that with Blackmmith Wukong whenever they gave the game a lower score because of the behavior of the studio that was alleged and also seemingly a mistransation from Chinese to American or Mandarin or Cantonese? I I I don't even know which one. Did they do that with the um with Blackmth Wukong? Did they do that? Who's they? Um, game journalists, game reviewers, and their woke enablers.
Very simple. ACT is streaming on YouTube. Great. Good for him. He's playing Pragmata. I'm surprised he's got a PS5. Great. That's awesome. Smaller titties. Look, it depends, right? I mean, like I I didn't follow BLM that much. I tried to stay out. Is this like are you It's It's not That's That's That's not what Okay, I didn't mean that. Okay, it that's not BL BLM. That's a This is advanced racism. This is really okay. All right, guys. Just about to say, yeah. Okay. Uh, anyway, um, what was I going to say? Is that if I was involved in a video game?
Let's say that. Let's say I was involved in a video game and do you think that those people would get together on Twitter and try to do a downvote brigade to try to make a game that I did or I was involved with like worse? Do you think they would do that? I think the answer is yes. Yes, it is. Okay. So, then they did that with Stellar Blade also. They did that with Blackmth Wukong. Um, they did that with uh Divinity Original Sin 2 and Balders's Gate 3 trying to leave negative reviews because of AI.
This is a tool that they have invented. Don't ever let them tell to you that you can't use it. If you didn't want people to use this tool, you shouldn't have made it. That's it. Yeah. Well, I think that's stupid. Should not be considered when reviewing a game. Too bad. It's not about reviewing the game. It's about having an environment and an ecosystem that's free from people trying to interject their politics into it. Uh I don't So, you have this mindset of like, well, I'm going to abstain from this. I'm not going to involve myself in this and then somehow it's going to get better.
It won't get better. It'll get worse because now you've said whenever you say that I'm not going to play the game, you don't say that, well, I'm just not going to be involved. What you say is that now you it's okay if you win. That's it. So, if you're not pushing back, they're pushing forward. You have to push back. Mhm. Uh yeah. Yeah, I'm going to let him run over me. Yeah, I don't think so. How about letting the market uh let market free ideas support or trash it? I know that's exactly what I'm doing.
And it seems like the market of free ideas, the free market of ideas um is uh not enjoying this. They don't like it at all. Yeah, that's exactly what's happening. You have to actively punish actions and choices that are detrimental. Hiring her was a choice and a deliberate one. Exactly. And uh you may not care about politics, but politics cares about you. I am absolutely in favor of that. And I know people might say that I'm mean. I have I don't care. Maybe I am. It's still going to happen. So anyway, that's the way I feel about
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