A Potential Death Blow To AI Search - WAN Show June 12, 2026

WHAT IS UP EVERYONE AND WELCOME to the W show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. Google has been found liable for false information provided by AI overview. This is in Germany, so it might not necessarily be helpful to everyone, but it is a step towards holding big tech accountable for the false information that it propagates with its um, you know, let's call them sophisticated and yet foundationally flawed AI technology. In other news, speaking of flawed technology, Donut Labs's solidate battery has been exposed as a regular lithium ion thanks to some incredible work from one of our our fellow YouTubers who I Oh man, I hate it when people do this. Uh, so whose name I'm actually going to use, unlike the way that people usually cite YouTubers, Zeroth, fantastic video we're going to be talking about a little bit later. No, don't you hate that, Luke? When the headline of a traditional media article is YouTuber, yeah, YouTuber has a name. Uh, what else we got this week? You can just tell the Instagram algorithm what you want now, which is which is actually kind of interesting. And this is a this is a sounds really fantastic on the surface and is kind of but is also terrifying. Uh a Florida hospital is using Palunteer to catch sepsis earlier and it's saved 886 lives so far. So is this one of those cases where like even a broken clock is right twice a day Palunteer did something that we're supportive of? Uh, well, let's get more into it. The show is brought to you today by ODU Op manager Nexus, Squarespace, and Server Parts Deals alongside Dbrand, our rap partner. Razer, our laptop partner, and also Razer, our oops, that logo is supposed to be visible, I think, our chair partner. I'll be getting to this a little bit later. This is super cool, but but it will come later. All right, why don't we jump right into our headline topic, which is that Google has been found liable for false information provided by AI overview. In a potential landmark case, the regional court of Munich has ruled that Google, if they're going to, you know, have their product, spit out an output based on all of the data that they ingested, some of it legally, some of it, it seems, uh, we're still questioning the legality of it. They're accountable for what it says, which, you know, maybe is a good thing. The same way that newspapers were accountable for what they printed and you know radio shows are accountable for what they say. Well, Google's AI is also accountable. Yeah. PE, if you're a if you're a mass media outlet and you reach literally millions of people, you should have some accountability for having there be a factual basis to the things that are being propagated. Sure. I just don't know how often that actually like applies. It it applied to um uh what's his name? Um, you're not going to bring up Alex. You are okay. That's where you're going with it. Uh, well, yeah. I mean, it relies on somebody to actually hold you accountable to it in many cases, but there is there is a basis for but there is an expectation that if you are spreading information that you are responsible for the accuracy of it. The case was initially brought by two German publishing companies after Google's AI overview presented information about them, combined with that of shady companies and online scams, and then drew information that didn't appear in any of the linked sources, which I mean, Luke, have you ever experienced that with Google's AI overview where it goes blah blah blah this thing citation and then you click it? completely not in there. Like citations by AIS are are are pretty sketchy in general, but um this this does line up. This was pointed out by Flowplane chat as well, but I I think I lost the message, but this does line up with other things. There's uh customer support chat bots where what they say has been held as like fact. So the customer support chatbot offers you something and uh the the company's held to to follow through with it. Um, did I did I just see it? I thought I just saw it. Darn it. Somebody in chat pointed out I think it was Air Canada. Yeah, Pa Paige in chat said Air Canada was already held liable for something incorrect their support chatbot said. And I think there was other companies as well, not just Air Canada. So, Google, yeah, it kind of follows other things. Google pulled the classic defense of, "Well, users can fact check for themselves, and they do plan to appeal the ruling with a spokesperson saying, "This case focuses on specific and narrow errors, not the foundational way that AI overviews display web content." Um, right. But these specific and narrow errors are inherent to the way that foundationally AI overviews seem to work, at least at this stage in the game. Like these hallucinations are not new. They're not an unknown. Um, and to Google's credit, they do say in AI overviews that, you know, AI can make errors and that you need to check it or whatever, but like I I think there's a I think there's still a if we all know, right? It's kind of like the it's like what went down with end user license agreements, right? like you had these these long theoretically legally binding documents. Everybody knew on both sides, the companies writing these end user license agreements, the people signing them, everybody knew that nobody was reading them. So when push came to shove, it was ultimately found that if if someone was not actually wellinformed and was was not actually aware, then this stuff wasn't going to be binding. it didn't it didn't just absolve you of of breaking a law the fact that you wrote into your end user license agreement that you were like allowed to do it. So, in the same way, if we know that people are trusting this stuff and that they're not noticing these these errors and they're not actually doing the due diligence, then there, in my opinion, there's a certain responsibility on the companies that are putting this information. I'm going to put that in giant air quotes, putting this information out there to ensure that it is factual. And if it's not factual, who's accountable? Who's responsible? And yeah, Google's going to say the user, but like I think Google knows probably better than just about anyone else that the user is just not going to do that work. Like the entire the entire premise of this feature is that we're just going to surface the information in an even more convenient manner because we know the user doesn't want to click through and read a bunch of stuff. That's the whole point. Yeah. Yeah. So, we have a few discussion questions here. Um, first of all, should the AI pushers be allowed to use the public as their beta testers while they work out the kinks here? Is there a level I I'm going to clarify this or I'm going to add a layer to this one. Is there a level of disclaimer that you would consider acceptable so that it could just spew misinformation like this? Like, how beta would it have to look and feel? Um, I'm trying to see what it looks like right now, just out of curiosity. Sure. Um, it doesn't look like there's any flags whatsoever. So, above the fold, um, I I just Googled testing and it gave me an AI overview of the word testing. Um, and before clicking show more, there's there's nothing. It it has the little Gemini icon. It says AI overview. There's the the quick summary with its uh citations, some more information, more links on the right hand side, but there's no indication that this isn't ready to go. Yeah, I've got I did the same thing just to to make it a little bit easier for the people. So, it's got a couple citations here that makes it look very credible. I click show more. Once you click show more, there's fine print at the very bottom that says AI can make mistakes, so double check responses. Holy crap. I I actually do do I have that? Am I missing it, guys? Am I missing something here? It's on mine. It's right above where the chat input is where you would type just to the left of the like share, like, and dislike buttons. Uh-huh. Am I Am I Guys, help me out here. I feel like I'm gaslighting myself because I was pretty sure there was a thing. I do not see it. Whoa. I don't see it on yours. What the heck? Mine has it. What? What the heck? That's super weird. It's It's on my side. Okay, doesn't always show. People are asking if I have an ad blocker. Uh, I mean, it shouldn't do that, but like, what extensions do I have? I got nothing here, guys. Here's my extensions. What What else we got here, guys? What else we got? Do you want to open a a private browsing tab and do the same thing? I would like to do that very much. Okay. Blah blah. There it is. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. So, that's interesting. It also moved this interface over to the right. Yeah, it's probably just reactive, but it didn't need Yeah, but it's It went all the way from left aligned to right aligned, though. Oh, no. It's not quite left aligned. Oh, you're right. Interesting. Is it even quite right aligned, though? You know what? No, no, I think Yeah. No, it's just buffered off on both of them. Interesting. So, it just it just didn't for some reason sometimes. I mean man. Okay, so back to my question then. What is the degree of disclaimer that would be acceptable to you? Obviously what I encountered just there with no disclaimer and this is this is Chrome. This is like the chromest chrome ass Chrome of Chrome browser. I don't even have any extensions or anything like there is no excuse because I'm Googled all the way through the pipeline. So clearly that's not acceptable at all. And honestly, I don't even think the other version that I got in the incognito window, I mean, I think you and I could probably both agree that's not enough if it's going to be making like egregious errors like this. Yeah, fine print that you have to click show more to even see. Like it's literally not like you you can get results that are conclusive results and not see the disclaimer because you didn't click show more. You need to click another thing in order to get the disclaimer is like obviously not enough. I think it would need a pretty major badge. Um I don't look at the AI overview too often so I wasn't really ready for this but I was expecting it to next to where it shows the Gemini logo and AI overview. I was expecting a big fat beta testing batch. Um, right. So, you want it like right here like AI overview beta uh you know results. May contain uh misin factual errors and uh incorrect information. Uh check all cited links in order to uh verify before believing anything it says. That would be would that be enough for you? Uh, I mean, I don't like the feature at all, but yeah, I think that would be enough for me. Um, someone in chat, uh, Mini Catalyst said, "Dumb user here. I didn't know it was in beta." I don't think that it is. I don't think it's in I haven't seen I don't see any indication on the feature that it's in beta. Yeah, I just said beta uh because I don't know that's the type of thing that I'm used to flagging, I guess. Uh right, speaking for them. Um, so yeah, like uh I guess don't flag it with beta, but some much more in-your-face thing saying that this information um is man, I I'd like it to even say likely incorrect because I catch the the very few times that I've really used the AI overview on Google, it's it's wrong like a lot of the time. I don't know what model they're running, but it seems not sophisticated. It's It's fast. Like it it really does seem like they're running a pretty fast, pretty light, pretty not thorough model. And the funny thing about it is I forget what I was looking at earlier today. Um, but I was I was sitting in I was sitting in script review with Elijah and for and maybe this is maybe this is crazy, but we uh Oh, yeah. I remember what it was. Um, we were looking for comments like you know how sometimes in our videos we'll do like a collage of similar comments like last time on tech house you guys asked you know why we scavenged the copper the way we did and we'll go d and we'll put a bunch of comments about that. So, there's a really cool new feature in the YouTube dashboard where you can search your comments using AI search for anything that instead of just searching for like a keyword, you can look for anything about this topic or anything that was critical of Lionus' hairdo or whatever. You can just you can search for for sentiment now, which honestly pretty cool and useful uh feature for for LLMs. Anyway, um, so I searched for something specific. I don't remember exactly what it was, and it crapped out a list of all the comments, and I was like, "Oh, that's super great." And okay, here, Elijah, when you're going through and you're doing the guidance for this video, here, let me just copy this link to the studio dashboard to the search result, and I will throw that into the script um like like guidance column. And then I was like, wait, is that going to work, right? like is it I know it'll bring up the dash. I know I can link someone who also has access to the dashboard and I can even link them to the specific page, but is it going to is it going to link that search query? And so I clicked it to check it and it did. But I was like, hey, wait a second. I think it generated that result again. It didn't cache it at all. which honestly for something like the YouTube dashboard wouldn't surprise me that much. But for something like a super commonly searched term like this, like do did you get exactly the same result as me or did you get an LLM generated output fresh for you? Do you want to have a quick look? Um, yeah. So, mine I think I closed that tab already. Okay. I mean, you could just search again. I'm I'll read mine and you tell me when it stops matching. Testing is the systematic process of evaluating a system. Already off. Okay. So, here's a question for me and and you know I I am not a systems architect. I am not a deep expert on LLMs or anything of the sort. But what I do know is that right now we have big tech absolutely desperate to build more data centers in order to support their AI endeavors. Um we have just like a like a massive volume of use of products like search and we have this technology that we've had for you know all of computing um caching that it seems to me might be useful. So why would they run like a crappier model that to your point, yeah, I've noticed that AI overviews makes a ton of mistakes, like more than other better LLMs makes. So in order to manage their resource usage, wouldn't you think they would just like cache this or like cache common queries, update them once a day, once every couple days? like the the the definition of testing is not going to change between now and tomorrow. Yeah. And and I find it interesting because before if I would Google something like a a specific word and I would do this very often. It would it would surface, you know, a definition. Um, sometimes I will I I've done this in the past and you know, maybe they don't want me to do this, but I've done this in the past where sometimes I'll Google something for a spell check. Uh, because the Google search will be like, "Ah, you spelled this word wrong." Right. Um, now it'll think I'm like trying to talk to it and I run into some weird some weird scenarios. Um, yeah. I I like Google is genuinely significantly less useful for me and I've been using it way less. This is interesting. AO overview became a thing. This is interesting. They're doing at least a little bit of caching. Chat pointed out that my two search results, one in my regular browser and one in my incognito tab, did return identical results. H Interesting. Uh, try a different browser entirely. Uh, okay. All right. I'll open it. All right. Microsoft, are you are you a Microsoft representative? Are you trying to No. Well, I mean, you could use Firefox. I don't have it on here. You could use Chrome to get Firefox. I did get the same result. interesting because I know there was this thing recently, I don't know if we talked about it on my show or not, but uh Google Chrome is reserving like a bunch of space on your on your drive uh for AI stuff and I don't remember if that in included things like results and whatnot. Um so a different browser getting the same one is is interesting. Someone in chat Oh, I just saw it. Uh, Kuro Setsuna 29 said, "I wonder if it's region cache. I'm in a different region." Yeah, that would be interesting. Yeah, that could be it. Um, cuz mine goes, "Testing is the act of subjecting a system person or process to experiments." Uh, which is different than yours. Yeah, it's close but different, right? Yeah. Yeah. A little bit little bit different. And I I refreshed the page and got the same thing. Let Let me try in a different browser. Okay. All right, this has become kind of an interesting rabbit hole. Sorry, guys. I know you were expecting Wan show, but uh I mean this is W show. This is kind of Wan show. Testing. Oh, in okay in Firefox paste on this device. Um, I'm not logged in. Mhm. So, it's figuring out my geo location and making everything Uh, Mandrin, I'm guessing. Oh, that makes sense. Actually, it did not give me an AI overview at all. Okay, then. Yeah, that checks out. English trying to do URL things testing. Avon Fox says it's probably quicker to regenerate than to pull from cache. Yeah, but that's exactly what I was kind of wondering is like are they better off using a better model? Um, and then using caching versus a super light model that like makes a ton of mistakes. Um, especially when it's something that, you know, is a is a pretty static uh outcome like a like something that is not going to to change from day to day like the definition of a common word for instance. One second here. Sorry. There we go. Uh, can I change this? It's also interesting to me that it um it cites Cambridge dictionary as its first one uh with club.mministry of testing, whatever the devil that is, and also some YouTube short. Um, and then when I actually go there, oh, there's an ad. Oh, wow. That's a lot of LT store ads. Oh my goodness. Uh anyway, nowhere on the Cambridge site is like exactly that definition. And you'd think it would be it would be simpler and less errorprone to just give me That's a lot of LT store ads. That's a lot of LT store ads. Hey, holy crap. All the LT. How much money was just spent spamming your browser with that? I shudder to think. you know, it might have been pretty effective because it ended up on W show though. Um, okay. So, mine mine did not match. Um, but I'm wondering if So, so I went to specifically a like Canadian Google search thing. Um, I didn't actually realize this was even a thing at all. I I searched up Google Canada and uh it gave me like I don't know if you go to Google right now, does it show a like red and white Google logo with the Canadian Soccer Association logo and stuff flicking by? Uh sorry, this Yeah, let me see. I gotta wait for this thing to catch up. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, I got that basically um and I searched on there. And now I got testing is the act of evaluating, measuring or examining the capability, safety or characteristics of something and then blah blah blah blah blah blah. Is that the same as yours? Um I don't because that is very different than my previous one. Not quite. systematic process of evaluating a system, product or idea to determine its functionality, performance or safety. Yeah. So, it just it shuffles things around a little bit. And when you shuffle things a little bit, well, then you introduce the potential for errors. And it's just seems to be a feature rather than a bug. And that's just kind of what we're stuck with. And somebody's somebody's got to be accountable for it. And you know, Google's basically saying, "Hey, well, it should be the user." But I mean, we just with this the simplest of tests, the searching the word testing found that it will sort of move things around. It'll site sources that don't actually have exactly that definition. I just I and it's and it's hard because it's really tempting cuz it's right there. Like I find myself searching for something and going, "Right, right, right, right, right. I can't trust that. Don't look at that. look under that. Go under the fold and start clicking into things because it's just it's just so convenient. Why don't we jump into our next big topic? You want to pick one? Sure. Um let's let's tackle this because I'm interested in how this is going to go. Um a Florida hospital is using Palunteer to catch sepsis earlier. It saved 886 lives so far. Um yeah, Tampa General Hospital in Florida has used Palunteer built has used a Palunteer built system called the sepsis hub. Okay, that's a scary name. It is to save an estimated 886 lives since 2022 having sepsis related deaths. The software pulls realtime data from electronic health records, lab results, clinician notes, and bedside monitors across roughly a thousand patients at once, watching for subtle early signals of sepsis that can get lost on a busy floor. Then alerts a rapid response team so flagged patients get antibiotics within an hour. It's also cut sepsis patient hospital stays by 30%. which is uh going to benefit all other problems basically. Uh context why this matters, sepsis kills around 350,000 Americans a year, making it the leading cause of death in US hospitals. Tampa General isn't alone in its results either. A separate AI model called Composer tested by UC San Diego across two ERS showed a 17% drop in sepsis deaths after going live. Uh the discussion question is if an AI system could demonstraably have sepsis deaths deaths at one hospital, what's actually stopping every other hospital from deploying the same kind of tool? Um I think the thing stopping it is posture but also rigor. Um like they have to verify that this thing actually does work first. Um, I mean, now that it's working, I think that will probably help it to become something that would be you need to make sure it's not doing anything else potentially bad as well. but it it is probably pretty good. And obviously, you can't exactly b 886 lives. And I think uh the families of the people saved would probably even be annoyed that I even brought this up. But one thing that flagged me immediately when reading this is that Palunteer is receiving the health records, lab results, clinician notes, and all the details from the bedside monitors of every single patient at this entire hospital. Um, well, roughly a thousand patients. I don't know if it's every single I think that's everyone at the hospital. I think it's everyone at the hospital that has those things. Um, I could be wrong, but I I I I think that's the case because their their note here, um, the other thing that I I thought was interesting, um, is it's it's not just patients with sepsis because they're trying to do early warning detections for patients getting sepsis. Um, so I I think they're just if you're if you're that wired up, um, I think I think your initial assessment was right. Uh, by the way, this is hilarious. AI overview. Tampa General Hospital is licensed for 1354 total beds systemwide across a blah blah blah blah blah uh blah blah blah blah. About Tampa General Hospital. Tampa General is licensed for 982 beds right under it. Beautiful. Fantastic. I I I honestly I I I find mistakes in the AI overview like almost every single time I use it. It's I I hate it. It has genuinely made Google significantly worse for me. Um I I have seen myself using other tools because Google is worse for me now than it was in like I don't know 2015. Like genuinely 11 years ago. Like we've we've gone so far back that we're over a decade behind. Um, and you know, maybe maybe it'll eventually be better or something, but it's it's worse than useless right now. Um, but anyways, back back to the topic. Looking at Palanteer's playbook, um, they want to own all of the data in the world. They've they've basically publicly said that they don't want people to have any form of freedom and that people won't commit crimes anymore when there is genuinely no such thing as privacy because uh any any government in the world would instantaneously know if anyone did anything out of line. Um like they they are not good. Um, and I think it's going to be very very difficult for people to look at this thing that is making a massive positive impact. Um, 886 lives, having the deaths and reducing hospital stays for a common and major issue by 30% are not things that anyone can b at. Those are very serious numbers. Those are exciting things. I mean, anytime you talk difficult to deny, even to an AI skeptic, you know, one of the first things they'll say is like, "Yeah, when they when they announced this stuff, they promised it was going to revolutionize medicine. If that's what it was doing, then I would be fine with it." Like pretty much everyone I talk to who's like anti- AI is like okay but if it was this then it would be fine. It's just that unfortunately you've got companies like Palanteer that are doing that stuff where we're saving human lives which seems like a pretty useful and noble endeavor for AI but also using it as a means to collect that data to pursue a lot less comforting future outcomes. yeah. So, I think that could be one of the things back to our discussion question, preventing other hospitals from deploying this same technology. I also think like you wouldn't really have a choice. Um, a lot of times depending on how bad your condition is, you just literally have to go to the closest hospital. Um, I've heard some weird stuff about the American medical system where like you're out of your insurance capture zone or something, so you have to get driven further something. I don't know. I'm a Canadian. Our healthcare system does not work that way. Um, but like this stuff's just going to be running. Like I I I doubt you're, you know, There's there's a lot of systems built around health care and end of life where like the funeral business is incredibly lucrative because when someone passes you don't want to see yeah people are very unlikely to say no y to upsells. Uh so the industry makes a lot of money. Uh the healthcare industry is very similar. it. There is a ton of money that goes into especially near end of life because if someone uh closely related to you is suffering, you are very unlikely to say no to um upgrades in in care. Um this is one of those situations where it's like are you okay with the health records, lab results, clinician notes, bedside monitor access, and probably tons of other things being mass data harvested from your loved one. Oh, also they might not die if you click this checkbox. A lot of people are going to click the check box. Yep. I I would wager pretty much everyone. Um but then that also does lead to the, you know, the super dystopian futures that specifically Palanteer has been saying they want to create. Ivonne keeps asking me what I want for my funeral, and I'm like, I'm dead. Do whatever makes you happy. I couldn't possibly care. monetize it. I don't know. Charge admission. I'm sure there's at least someone who'd want to see me dead. They'll show up. Fair farewell. Farewell, inferior tech liners. Church admission. Oh my god. Um, I mean, you've heard you've heard me say that if you guys catch it on camera, you have to you have to monetize it, right? I have. I was actually I was talking to someone about that surprisingly recently, and I I uh I I was like, you know, he said that before. I don't know if he still feels that way or not. So, I guess you do. Do it. I mean, how like we got everyone's got to get their severance and everything. if for whatever reason we can't keep going without me, right? You got to you got to milk it. Milk it as good as you can, as long as you can. And then when I'm when it's over, it's over. And it was it was a wonderful ride while it lasted, man. Okay. Sorry. Uh Katsune Lane in full chat said, "Luke's dedication to Lionus is a W show delivered live from beside his coffin." That would be so depressing because it would be so long. Open casket. I hope I'd have to sit there. I'd have to sit there like open casket for like 4 hours. Oh my god. here. Practice. I can't even. Hold on one second. You got to how long could we keep the streak alive? I mean, would you would you would you bring would you bring my ashes and put them put them next to you? You and you and Dan can just do the Wan show and just put put me on the shelf. I Yeah, I think from the N show. It's just the sponsor spots. the sponsor spots can just go to like a earn camera. We could uh we could make the lid go up and down like the Canadians on South Park. If anybody sends a if anybody sends a comment that's a direct question for me, you could just like you could just cut to my camera and then just we'll leave it there for a bit and then cut back and keep going. Awkward silence. The one thing, the one place I draw the line though is no LLM resurrection of me. I am one of the people on earth who would be relatively easy to to LLM in honestly a pretty accurate fashion, but I don't consent to that. I don't approve of that. Um, so so I'll just on the on the urn camera, I'll just have to like flap the lid of the urn to pretend you're talking and just try to You have to puppeteer your voice. You can even do the voice. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. I don't know who outside of Dbrand would accept those ad spots. I mean Dbrand would do it. If Dbrand's still around, they they would do it. I can find out. Also, laughing about flapping your urn. I'm I'm in a rather public place. Uh just so viewers of the show know, I'm at um Lee Hua Hong. I I've I've featured this place a couple times. There was one time somewhere around 10 years ago in the desk and internet cafes video that I I featured this place. And then um there was also a short a little while ago, but I needed a good internet connection. So I was like uh we were having some issues with hotels and their internet connections, so we just decided to do the show from here. Um and people can definitely hear me. Nice. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. My rep's typing. There's a robot. There's a robot typing. I said you would sponsor wrapping my earn, right? Yeah, I'll schedule it, too. Classic. Yeah, not not surprised. Yeah, that checks out. I mean, they've tried to kill me enough times, sending me packages full of broken glass and I got a comment. Maybe that's why they're just annoyed they haven't been able to do that type of an ad spot yet. They've been waiting for so long. Oh man. All right, we should probably jump into our next topic here. Uh, th this is on the surface kind of cool. You can apparently just tell your Instagram algorithm what you want. Now, Instagram is expanding its your algorithm feature to the main feed, letting you directly tell the app what you want to see. It shows you a list of topics Instagram thinks you're interested in based on your activity. And you can add topics that you want or remove ones that you don't. Changes will carry across real explore and now the main feed since it's all one system. It started in the US and is rolling out globally in English. Instagram head Adam Missouri framed this as fixing a one-sided relationship. The system learns from what you tap and watch, but you've never been able to just tell it what you want. He credits large language models for making it possible since older ranking systems ran on data that no human could read, while LLMs can now sort content into plain language topics. For now, it is limited to topics, but Instagram says that controls for specific people, moods, and content types are coming. I mean, I think it's a good thing. It It seems like what it always like should have had the ability to do. I I recognize the I guess the the challenges around like metadata and tagging and and like how manual something like that could be. Um I can see how LLMs could help with that. But also, I mean, we've spent 90% of the show so far talking about how fundamentally flawed they are and how often they make mistakes. Uh, this is I this will be abusable. I don't know if there will be a reward in abusing it, but this feels like the it is going to be susceptible to like Spider-Man and Elsa style issues. For people that don't understand that reference, kids YouTube years ago was taken over by some really weird content um of people like cosplaying as Spider-Man and Elsa and other characters and doing some weird stuff that you wouldn't really expect to be on the kids side of YouTube. Um but it it got there because of the framing of the video and I could imagine that something similar could happen in this type of system. Um, I think the reward is I mean the reward of Spider-Man and Elsa was just was always AdSense. Well, I guess yeah, AdSense. So maybe yeah, more reward than for just getting views on Instagram, but there's also the there's also the reward of just getting clout and building up followers on Instagram. Social media accounts are worth money. Um, and especially, you know, with automation tools, the the ability to to create accounts to abuse these systems to grow to some threshold to then be farmed off to, you know, scammers who need plausible looking Instagram accounts or, you know, whatever the model is. I I often find myself very surprised by the things that scammers will come up with. Like there was that recent one where there was that like warehouse of consoles that was farming like FIFA card packs or something. I can't remember the exact details of it. I'm not a I'm not a FIFA guy. Dan, do you remember? Oh, okay. I just assumed you were into football being an English person and all of that. Oh, cricket like a normal person. Got it. That makes sense. I don't go outside. Uh yeah, I remember that topic. I don't remember the specific details. I think it was like farming throwaway matches basically in order to get uh pack openings, like free generating pack openings. I don't know why that benefits them or anything, but yeah, it's it's interesting. I I can't necessarily imagine how you would abuse this. It just feels to me uh how an LLM would view this content is probably abusable in some way. I don't know what to what end, but it feels like it probably would be. Um, I also don't know like what kind of they're even saying you can sort by moods, which is interesting. So, like is it is it doing the Lionus maneuver and is it reading the comments? Um, so could could you manipulate this setup by convincing your audience somehow to all comment in a particular way? Um, I don't know. This almost feels like something like Spiffing Brit should dive into, although he seems to just do YouTube stuff. um beast. Yeah, but it'd be interesting. I mean, I I like the idea of being able to more manually control our feeds. I I I also respect Lionus' dedication to keeping his Facebook Marketplace weird as heck. Um but I I if if I could just tell Facebook Marketplace that I want it to show me weird things, that would also be nice. Um yeah, like one thing I think this is good. One thing I've wanted from YouTube for a long time is the ability to tell them what my video is about a little bit because they can mostly figure that out on their own. But what I really want is to tell them who it's for. Because remember remember way back when you made uh here I'm actually just going to pull up the video. Uh come on here. This one you might be able to imagine. Oh, for crying out loud. This one right here. Installing a video card. How to basics on Lionus Tech Tips 10 years ago. This video got absolutely dogpiled out of the gate. Hated it. People were like actually pissed when they launched. So angry. and and and it there was momentum around it because that was back when the like dislike ratio was visible publicly. So people it was very negative saw that people hated it and then they piled onto it even more and it it created this like like death spiral spiral of hatred and negativity around this video and if you actually just you know watch the video you don't say anything wrong. Hold on. Is it? Yeah, it was it was people hated it just because it was beneath most of the average viewers of LT at the time. Um, yeah, it it wasn't that the information was incorrect. It's just that they were like, "It's a graphics card, bruh." Yeah, you just put it in. But I I'm pretty sure we included things like dduing your drivers and like stuff like that. Like I think it was I think it was like decently No, you did a good job presented at the time. You did a very good job. It was it was lambasted because it hit the wrong audience like you're kind of saying. Exactly. So, what I've been asking YouTube for is the ability because because what's happened is we've kind of our channel has kind of Michael Bay itself because we can't just make a video on installing a CPU anymore because what's going to happen is it you bumped your mic. Careful. Uh what's going to happen is it's going to jump into the feed of everyone from someone who subscribed to LTT yesterday to someone who subscribed to LTT 17 years ago. And these folks, your your regular viewers are going to feel like like patronized and they're going to feel like this is a complete and utter waste of time. And what tends to happen is algorithmically YouTube will kind of go, well your channel is about, you know, X and the people who are interested in X don't like this. Therefore, this is probably bad content. But what I would actually really like is the ability to tell YouTube, hey, this video is not for my regulars. This is not This was a new viewers like only basically and I'm okay with that resulting in it potentially doing worse, especially out of the gate, but I don't want it to massively negatively affect the long-term potential of the video by it nuking a bunch of potential views on people who would never click on it. Cuz like if you know if someone's in flow plane chat or or they've just been you know I I'll meet people at events all the time that are like I've been watching since the NCIX days. like, "Bro, you know how to install a GPU." Exactly. Like, it's you don't you don't need this. Um, the the vast majority of people who have watched more than, you know, one to three LT videos or or realistically any other uh computer hardware tech videos on YouTube, um, isn't going to need a video on how to install a GPU. But that doesn't mean that a bunch of people don't need that. Um, so here's another great example. the first time you've ever built a computer. If you just spent a bunch of money on hardware and you want to build the computer for the first time and you don't have an inerson mentor, you want to make sure that you don't ruin this incredibly expensive component as you put it into your computer, you might want to watch a little video on how to install it. Yeah. And so we we wanted this was that was supposed to be a series. That's why the title is appended with this how-to basics. I had in my mind that I wanted to create three sort of series of like to really get back down to tech tips and do like how to basics which was kind of a like a play on how to basic which was like kind of a viral thing at the time and then I wanted how to intermediate and like how to advanced. So we would do these tutorials on everything from installing a graphics card to like you know reconfiguring uh ports on your router to uh you know setting up a setting up a a NAS with you know multiple tiers of high speed and low speed storage and we'd kind of we'd kind of segment them out and just create these like very evergreen guides. you know, sorry, the reception to it was so negative that we did a couple of them and we kind of went, well, holy crap, we can't we can't do this. And then ultimately, years later, that like dislike ratio actually totally turned around and the video now has, you know, 2.3 million views. But that's not nearly as many as it probably would have if it hadn't had its growth stunted right at the beginning there. Yeah. It's you, you know what's kind of interesting is I've heard that the youngans these days um to to go back to a previous topic actually also hate Google search now. Uh like Google search just sucks these days. The the results are terrible and the AI search is worse than the auto stuff that they had in the past. Like it's just Google search is just going completely down the hole. Um, but a lot of the youngans are using like Tik Tok for search, which hurt my brain a lot when I first heard it. Um, but apparently it's because they're they're using it in the way that a lot of us probably use YouTube, which is where we we look it up like, you know, how do I fix my washing machine or whatever. Um, here's a weird question. Someone in someone in chat said that you can Instagram has like a trials feature where it won't send it to your subscribers or something. I I lost the message. Uh Andrew Candy, Instagram can kind of do this with trial reels. It doesn't send them to your followers. I don't know exactly how that works, but maybe the how-to basics series, maybe with a different name, not sure, could return, but in shorts format. I could see potential there. This card, but the the shorts version, how to install RAM, but the shorts version. It can also even work in long form though. Uh here, Dan, I'm just going to see if my laptop is working. Oh, yeah. There we go. So, I'm on my uh I'm on my daily driver here. So, I'm logged in. So, here's an example of one that kind of shows how bad this can be. Uh so we we we uploaded uh like just building a PC you know just a build guide for the first time in like ages. So first day performance of this video was 458,000 literally half of the upper end of our typical range like absolute bombed out of the gate. And then eventually the algorithm figured out, oh, okay, yeah. Oh, this is a highquality video that just the subscribers to this channel were not interested in. Now it's more than double the high-end of your typical range. And just, you know, daily as the English- speakaking world awakens and slepts and awakens again, it just gets views. Um, but it would be really, but it doesn't always work out that way. So, right, the other one that I was going to pull up was Riley did a $1,000 gaming PC. So, here we'll go back to Linus laptop. This one also bombed out of the gate in spite of the very likable Super Riley and then never found that audience. And you know what? Maybe we just, you know, maybe just didn't, you know, work. Maybe a $1,000 guide was not as good as a $2,000 guide. Whatever. I don't know the exact answer to why one of them went and one of them didn't. But I've I've been telling Google for years. I would just love to be able to just tell you. I can tell you. I know who it's for. And as a as a variety channel, it's something that we've struggled with our entire existence. And I think we struggle with more and more now where one video on our channel one day is touring a data center and then the next day is like tearing down the walls of the tech house so that we can run conduit and and low voltage wiring and then the next day is a review of a steam controller. like we're all over the place. And I have I have noticed that algorithmically they just don't know what to do with us compared to a channel that is more more predictable. Uh like even within the tech niche, there's other channels that are more predictable in terms of their their tone from one video to the next. And I'd love to be able to just say, "Hey, this is for people that are super into biohacking or, you know, this is for people who are really into, you know, enterprise hardware, you know, whatever, right?" But I can't. There's breaking anthropic news, by the way, that we should probably acknowledge because chat is gloating. I'm working on that right now. Um basically they issued a statement um the US government shut them down. Statement on the US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5. yeah, citing national security authorities, the US government has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, even those inside the United States, including anthropic employees. so this feels like Yeah. To ensure compliance, they have just turned Fable 5 and Mythos 5 off for everyone. Uh, this Dan Dan pointed this out in full chat. Uh, but this is probably the best marketing anyone on the entire planet could have asked for. But I actually think this might be hilariously the whole marketing angle might not be the goal that the US government wanted because I suspect they are still in a bit of a tiff over when Anthropic stood up to them a little while ago. Um, and with with the IPOs coming soon, I suspect this might have been uh an attempt to hold them back actually. But I think just like last time, this is ultimately going to be just like an insane marketing move. Uh, promoting the absolute heck out of anthropic. Um, the the the including internal employees thing is is wild. We we had um Conrad, the the guy who makes LT store. Yeah. In regards to development, um was in chat earlier saying he used Fable 5 personally um and said I I don't I don't want to misquote. I don't remember exactly what he said, but he said very positive things about it. Um very interesting. Honestly, um the Frontier models that are coming out right now are pretty nuts. Um yeah, Mari squared in fulloint chat said not me currently using Fable 5 to rewrite a whole platform. Um yeah, wild wild in in before uh US citizens start reselling uh their their access to Fable 5 to foreign nationals. Um, If only there was if only there was some technology that could make it so that you could appear as though you were in a different region than you were. If only there was some way to pay for things with a, you know, US bankisssued payment method. If like this, I don't know how they could possibly hope to to enforce this once they actually do reenable Fable 5. Yeah, that's what I was going to say is like I I don't think it's going to be as simple as as a VPN, which is why they actually shut it down. No, but you will but you'll need but it won't someone will overcome it. This ain't going to be impossible to overcome no matter what. At the very least, I suspect it's going to be people individually reselling API key usage um somehow. But it's yeah, wild wild. Verified US ID requirements incoming. Maybe. Yeah. Okay. I'm not going to say who said this, but somebody said, "I got a notice on a litigation hold on all communications about anthropic. M DoD employee." I mean, I think you mean DOW. Um, but yeah, for now DoD. I've I've heard I've heard the Department of War thing isn't official. They just call it that. No, but it's it like went looking like probably official today or yesterday or something. Yeah, got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Um I I don't I don't know what's going on with that, but thought that was kind of funny. Has to be approved by Congress. Okay. Yeah. Um yeah, wild situation. Absolutely wild situation. I I think like um I don't know if we've talked about it on W show or not um but but PewDiePie's video on Odysius. it's it's you know we've talked about PewDiePie a few times over the years on W show. Uh this is not one of the ways that I expected to be talking about PewDiePie, but he has been doing incredible things when it comes to locally hosted AI and Agentic stuff. and his video on Odysius uh his his project uh which he has open sourced um has 3 million views now. And you know we talked about this last show but u you know local models are not are not necessarily you know brushing shoulders with these frontier models. Um, no, but they're right now, but they are very useful. And I really think the in the same way that with with the whole operating system debate right now, my solution is to very happily just dual boot on both of my systems. I'm dual booting on my laptop, I'm dual booting on my desktop, and I'm very happy. Um, I think the like prime solution for me at least is going to be using both. um saving your API costs on something big and heavy and powerful like uh Fable 5 or or any other like crazy frontier model because you know in two weeks it'll probably be something else that's in the lead. Um and then for most of your honestly probably most of your work but it really depends on who you are and what you're doing. Um, you can use local models in order to just like your your just dumb [ __ ] like what's the what's the weather going to be tomorrow just to to interact with, you know, your your DIY Google Home that doesn't actually communicate with Google's servers. Uh, like that that cute little robot thing that Nick Harris from the lab had in his AMD ultimate tech upgrade. Like paying for tokens to run something like that to turn your lights on and off is cra would be crazy. And yeah, there's no need to and you Yeah, you just don't need to because a local model can handle the voice to text can can can handle the natural language interaction just fine today. Uh there was that guy in chat who said they were they were using uh Fable to rewrite an entire system and it's like okay. Yeah. Um you're not doing that on your RTX 3070. Uh yeah, okay, sure. um you you you can you can do quite a bit with local models and and it might do pretty well. But yeah, Atomica says Quinn 3.6 is phenomenal and that happens to be uh that was actually one of the first things that Nick Harris asked when we were meeting with Nvidia at Computex was okay neat impressive demo you what are you guys using and Quen 3.6 came up like immediately. Uh it seems like it's just basically beloved right now for anyone who wants to run local AI. Yeah, it's uh there there's a lot of different things. If you're if you're scared of running stuff, again, I would I would highly recommend watching the PewDiePie video, but he talks about a a part of the Odysius system called cookbook, uh where it helps inform you based on your system hardware, uh what what you can run. So, if you're like, "What the heck is a what the heck is a Quen?" um it can it can kind of handle those portions for you or at least majorly simplify it. But yeah, the the local hosting stuff is was incredibly interesting and is now taken a massive leap forward in how interesting it is and the Frontier models keep being mind-bogglingly insane. Um and it's it's quite quite the time for uh terrible things to happen. yeah. Anyways, topic move on. Oh, uh, no, it's time for us to do our creator warehouse announcements. This week, we are launching a pretty fun one. I am legitimately super excited about this one. Okay, hold on. Hold on. It's time to hopefully not have a classic Wancho nip slip here. Okay. Oh, shoot. I still have my mic on. Uh, okay. First up is the map of Siberia t-shirt. It is a fully handustrated fantasy map where someone replaced all the kingdoms with things like the great firewall is of when and the cryptocurrency. Get it? Cryptocurrency. That's pretty good. Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to go to the uh to the Lionus cam. Uh this is got to be Oh man, you guys can't Okay, you know what? I'm just going to have to I'm just going to have to pull it up on the site. uh yeah, I I'll bring it up on the site. I'll bring it up on the site. Uh I I have to give Lisa from the CW team like the vast majority of the credit on this one. this. She spearheaded this and just oh, I don't know when it happened, but she just like figured out our vibe as a company, our audience at some point. Pirate Bay and it culminated or maybe she's still cooking. Maybe she maybe she hasn't reached the peak yet, but oh my god, the leg access point. You have got to be kidding me. That is the funniest [ __ ] Control + C is really good. I like that one. the poisoned cash port 80 network bridge. Of course, this had to be there. This is This is This is quite informed actually. Right. The bits. That's cool. The bites. I asked her. I was like, "Are do the bites have exactly eight times the land mass of the bits?" And she was like, "Don't overthink it." I'm like, "Okay, all right. Fair fair enough, Lisa. All right. All right. I guess Hold on a second. I got the data 27032." Oh, interesting. Interesting. Don't don't don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Um, absolutely absolutely incredible design. Super cool. Are these up right now? Okay. I didn't see a link in the doc. Map of Siberia. Oh, I see. There it is. T-shirt available now in regular and tall. So, make sure you guys are getting in there. Oh, we don't have a lot of tall units in the uh the XL's, double XXLs, and triple XL's, at least on the global site. And great photo shoot as always. This has to be Tynen. There's no way this isn't Tynen. It's Tynen. No, it's Dan. That's me. Did Did you borrow T? Okay, this one's Titan. The ones outside are Tynen. Yeah. Amazing. I know he's into that stuff. I didn't know you were. Did you borrow his stuff? Uh, it was actually somebody else's stuff. Oh, really? There was some other guy who lent us a set of armor. Oh, that's super cool. Um, hold on one sec. Am I Am I getting this correctly? The olive one has the large map on the front, but the black one has the small logo on the front, the large map on the back. Yeah. So, we couldn't decide uh we couldn't decide whether to do olive or black or the here, if I switch over to the black, you'll see this one has the map on the back and then it has the uh just the cloud kingdom on the front. So, we kind of tried both and we'll kind of see what people are more into. I'm not going to spoil anything by saying who thought which way, but uh they're they're both really cool designs I'm so interested how the sales of this go. I I'm so interested because I've always personally like I I think this shirt is wicked. I'm going to try, if there isn't one sitting there for me already, I'm going to try to get the the black one in XL tall. But, um, the reason why I'm going to get the black one is because I always love the, um, the small logo over the heart with Is that Is that my size? Sorry, it's a medium. Darn it. Uh, I always really like the small logo over the heart and then the big thing on the back of the shirt. That's always my favorite shirt design. But I'm wondering is that is that just a me thing or is that No, it's a lot of people thing. But we also felt that the way that this design doesn't pop as like Okay, here. No, I agree. That is a good point. Like this is a lot to wear on the front. This is actually not as much. Yeah. No, I I agree. It's very interesting. Yeah. And it's also not like a huge logo. Um if if it was a massive like your entire torso Linus Tech Tips logo. that would it probably kind of suck. But instead, it's like a cool design full of fun little Easter eggs and stuff like it's and there's the you know there's the the shirt that must not be named uh that doesn't exist anymore. Um and that had a big logo on the front. Sleep is fories. No, it was released very recently and then taken away. Oh. Oh, that one. Yeah, that had a big logo on the front and that looked really sick as well. So, like it's obviously not a hard and fast rule. So, I am interested because just like you said on the olive one, it it does it kind of works. Um, and um, uh, well, one that I do have an XL tall here for you is this one was our best. See, that also works. This was our bestselling t-shirt in a long time. Um, so it's really not a hard and fast rule. It's just like a generalization that I prefer that setup. But like I wouldn't that pirate one if you just had a little parrot. It's not showing up on camera. If you just had a little parrot here and then the back said that, I don't think that would be better. Um, no, I don't think that one would quite work. So, this is like kind of depends. We've been kind of trying to find our stride um on like the t-shirt designs over the last little while. Um, like I think we had um I don't want to get too deep into like sort of the the internal stuff, but you guys might have noticed that whether it's sourcing the blanks or whether it's having designs ready or whether it's having both of those things at the same time, um, we we haven't really focused on t-shirts for like a couple of years at this point. Whereas it used to be that like every other freaking Wand show we were announcing another t-shirt and t-shirts were like a big part of LTT store and then for a long time they basically haven't been. But um I think over this last couple like I I obviously haven't seen any sales figures for this one yet but I love it. Uh the design team freaking loves it. Like we love it so we're really confident in it. But as you can see, we're still kind of mixing it up in terms of, okay, do we do little thing on the front, big thing on the back, big thing on the front? Like, what's the, you know, what's our what's our current meta going to be? So, we're going to we're going to let you guys ultimately decide that. it's very interesting. It's I I'm I'm specifically interested in the sales of this one with my little I like the small logo thing. Um, because I think this one is a strong example of the big image on the front being cool. Yeah. Um, so it's it's it's like a a good test. Um, both are cool, I think. And but wait, there's more. Where is it? There's also Oh, our new arrivals could probably stand to be cleaned out a little bit. Whoops. A desk pad. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. So, there's also a desk pad. How fun is that? Available in three different sizes. It's 900 mil by 400 mil, 300 mil, or 600 mil depending on your preference. All the same price as you've come to expect from LTT store. Hello from LTT store. It also looks extremely striking. Great quality printing. Got this here. Map of Siberia desk pad. Oh, it's Luc is there. Oh, yeah. There you go. Freaking awesome. And of course, nice high quality deskpad. natural rubber stitched etches, etc., etc. Stitch etches. Stitched edges. What you would expect from us, man. They've been having way too much fun at these photo shoots lately. And that's a good thing. One of what? Oh, really? Unless it's not on there. I didn't see that one. Sorry, Dan. I didn't see it. Anyway, those are our new launches for this week and you can check them out at lmg.gg/cyiberia, which is spelled like cyber and then I A. Um, and it's a perfect time to pick one up because we're live, which means that you can send a comm. We might need to change the name again. Well, whatever. For now, they're called checkout messages coms. And the way that they work is all you got to do is fire up LTT store, add something that catches your eye to your cart, boop boop, view your cart, and in the checkout, you can type up a message. It'll go to producer Dan. There he is. Who will respond to it or just like pop it up on the stream if it's just like a shout out for someone or he will curate it for me and Luke to respond to. Uh Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple of coms? Sure thing. Lionus, your 40th level is coming up. Do you plan on celebrating it in a special way? How about writing a biography or even an autobiography? I'd read a success story. Also, more non-black t-shirts, please. Um, I'm flattered, but I am not planning to write an autobiography. I I started making notes like a couple times for something like that and then I just have not had the time to do it slashh I don't know I don't maybe maybe I've just been maybe I've just not thought about it the right way cuz I was I was really surprised when I found out that someone as private as Linus Torvalds had written an autobiography and when I asked him about it um he basically was just like well try anything once including write an autobiography apparently cuz he's a really modest guy and that didn't really he's a really modest really private guy and that didn't really align with write an autobiography but the writer actually talks about this in the autobiography um or I guess it's not really an autobiography but it's like it's got a lot of autobiographical elements but also a lot of observations from the author. It's kind of like a a mish mash of both. Um, and the writer actually talks about the process by which he convinced Torvalds to do it. Um, so maybe I don't know, maybe I just haven't heard the right pitch from a ghost writer. I also just don't think I'd be comfortable with a ghostriter writing it. I feel like I should write my own thing. I literally people ask me like, "What do you do?" And more than anything else, I think more than a host, um, I I think my greatest contribution to LTT is is writing. Uh, I don't think people realize how much of what is done at Lionus Media Group has been touched at some point by my pen. Um, not all of it. It's all of it. It's not all of it. Every single mistake. Thank you. It's all Lionus. Thank you for that. Even if it's just a Labs article that doesn't have him credited, if there's a mistake in it, it was Lionus. If there's not a mistake in, it was someone else. All right. Anyways, uh did I answer the question? I don't remember and I I'm having a hard time logging into the dashboard. No, I think that's probably good enough. All right, cool. Good chat. Hey, DL. What's the most recent book you've read or are currently reading? um what did I pick up recently? Trying to remember. I read Breakfast with my a little while ago, but that was a while ago. I think I read something more recently than that. I'm second here. I've I've reverted to my teenage state and I've been uh I've been reading old Foxtrot collections during my midnight snack breakfast cereal lately. So, that's been that's been fun. I love Foxtrot. Fun. I actually had no idea he still publishes Sunday strips online. Shout out Bill. Um, man, there's no way to go sort by recent. My goodness. I will find it. Give me a second. He's looking up Dan in the meantime. Read any good books lately? I've still got most of The Prince to finish off. what? I read it back in college and it was it was brutal and it's still brutal. reminds me a lot of the world right now. Have you um Have you read it, Linus? No, I haven't. Yeah, you can have my other copy if you want. It's um it's bad. It's hard. It's hard to read, huh? What a what a sales pitch. It should be read, I think, by a lot of people, but Okay, that's a better pitch. You should lead with that. The prince is good. holy crap. You know what, Lionus? I can give you something fun. Oh, there it is. Um, Tough and Competent by Eugene F. Crayons. Tough and Competent. Is that Is is that your autobiography? No, but thank you. Um, yeah. Uh Jean CR was uh the second uh chief flight director for NASA. He looks tough and competent. Yeah. Yeah. Um but I I haven't actually started it. Uh but I have it and I'm excited. That's the first step. One small step for Luke's reading list. Yeah. Um, but okay, this is okay. I guess is that that question done? I'm excited to show you something. And I keep trying to jump to it and then realizing that I'm skipping the topic we're currently on. Sorry. Uh, this is not an ad. I don't know if these guys have ever sponsored us or not. So, my bad if they have, I don't know, whatever. But, um, and I can't send you a link to this super easily, but if you just want to Google it, you've probably already seen it. But um 8bit do ultimate three mode controller Xbox. They have a 8bit do Xbox controller that is translucent green. Have you seen this? Uh I thought you would like it. Three mode. Oh, nice. That looks sick. Yeah. Yeah. It's really interesting. There's a bunch of I I don't know if everyone just had the same thought at the same time or what, but there's a bunch of translucent products coming out. You can see in the background there, they have a keyboard. Um, yeah, they have an 85% keyboard and a separate 10 key, which I think is super cool. Those buttons tend to come with their keyboard. Um, so I'm assuming that's the case here as well. And then they also have the mouse. And then they also have the uh the Xbox controller. It's a sick lineup of hardware actually. That looks amazing. Officially licensed by Xbox. Awesome. Supported by Apple, man. 8bit Dough has just been crushed. I believe they're Hall effect joysticks or or or something. Um I lost the Hall effect joysticks. Yep. And the triggers are Hall effect linear. Oh, nice. Okay. The triggers I wasn't sure, but I was trying to find that. Cool. Um and there's a switch on the back to switch which kind of device you're connecting it to and stuff. This looks wicked. Um I I just I I don't know. I'm just so stoked on translucent products coming out. Um, I think it's awesome. I love I'm so happy that it seems like we're exiting an era of everything just being either all black or all white. Um, I'm so happy that some color is entering products again and that translucent and seeing the interesting things inside the product is becoming a thing again. I just think it's so sick. Oh, dude. I um Okay, I had a similar experience today. Uh I was working on the LTT for uh Sony sent over their 115in true RGB TV. So, it's uh it's over in the theater room right now. I I had to leave for WAN show, so I didn't actually get to see it fire up and watch content on it. I have to do that on Monday. I have to wait the whole weekend before I ah Anyway, that's not the point. The point is, I was looking at the remote and it's a black remote and I was like, "Of course it's a black." No, wait. Translucent. It No, no, it doesn't. It has It had little uh like teal like flexcks in the plastic like Do you remember our uh like our RGB shirts how they had those little like like uh like those little color tufts in them? Yeah. It was cut. It was all one color, but it was kind of like that. Like it just had little color flexcks in it. And I was like, how fun is that? And how hard was that, you know, to bring back a little bit of color in our lives? I I just I thought it was really cool. I thought it was a nice little touch. Yeah. I I think that might actually be um a double benefit because I believe that's often an appearance that comes from recycled plastic. Um, so it could be a recycled plastic. It looks great. Oh, I I think it looks fantastic. I think it looks fantastic. Also, I didn't know this was a thing, but just to to be, you know, fair. Um, and I'm doing a terrible job with tracking names today by East One. Um, or Eastone um posted in Flipline Chat. Xbox is also releasing their own translucent green Xbox controller. If you look up the Xbox 25th anniversary, um they have an Xbox wireless controller X25 special edition and it's a translucent translucent green Xbox controller. Um I'm a little confused about some of the messaging that I hear coming out of Xbox right now. Like on the one hand, they need to rejuvenate their hardware business, but then on the other hand, they're saying things like how many Xboxes they sell is gated by like production capacity, not by like demand. I just I'm I'm having a really hard time reconciling that. I'm also I am also recognizing that a lot of Xbox fans are rooting for exclusives, but I can't help but feel like if they go full exclusive and they don't come to PC that we are like we're sitting here demanding reverse progress that is actually regression. Um, as someone who has never bought an Xbox and who probably will never bother to game on an Xbox, um, making games not available for me to purchase on PC is something that I'm going to have a hard time rooting for. Uh, the Xbox install base being as it is, games being exclusive might just mean their death. but I also understand that like there's it's a chicken and egg problem because you're not going to get an install base unless you give people a reason to buy the console and it sure as heck isn't going to be the Xbox first party controller. Like what's it going to be? I don't feel like it's going to be Gears 6 either. Um or or whatever. I mean, you weren't really like a Gears kid though, right? Not really. But I feel I feel like Ooh, is this hot? Is this a hot take? Here comes the hot take. I feel like Gears always played second fiddle to Halo. Well, yeah. I don't think that's a hot take at all, sir. And I don't feel like either series is hot right now. So, what uh Halo Infinite the second and Gears 6? Like, I don't know. uh whatever whatever that thing they're doing is with the the the first Halo that they're recreating and they're making new missions. So yeah, um I don't think that's going to sell consoles either. I was chatting with Poof about it actually right before the show and he was like super bearish on it and then just saw the latest updates and he was like, "Yeah, I'm psyched now. I haven't actually I haven't seen it, but apparently it looks great like visually, but then also, didn't they have one of the old Bungie guys come out and pretty much say like, yeah, it looks great, but it doesn't look like Halo Combat Evolved. So, I'm and I'm paraphrasing, I'm basically an AI right now. Disclaimer, what I said might not be attributable to anyone. I'm basically an AI right now is a hilarious line. Um, the three new missions is interesting and stuff. I don't trust me, bro. All I'm saying I'm not saying it doesn't look interesting. All I'm saying is I don't know if it's a console seller. Um, I don't know what Microsoft has right now that would be a console seller. People really like Fors Horizon 6. Yeah. They also dropped Japan, which has been a location that people have been looking for in Fors Horizon for a long time. So, they just dropped their like ace up their sleeve before it could be an exclusive. Um, I just spent, you know, days driving switchbacks in Taiwan. They could do one in Taiwan, but I I don't think that's going to be as big of a draw as Japan is for car culture, obviously. Um, I don't know. I don't I don't know what game Microsoft has up their sleeve. Oh, yeah, I do. Okay. I mean, if some new Xbox launches and soon after the launch, Elder Scrolls 6 comes out and it's exclusive to consoles, that'll move some consoles. That'll move some cons. Well, assuming it's not a complete dumpster fire, it'll move I think it'll still move some consoles, honestly. It's just a question of how many, sir. Yeah, totally. Yeah, exactly. Um, don't curse us like that. Yeah, sorry. That's a good point, but sorry. Um, happy 8th birthday to the trailer of ES6. I didn't believe that trailer for so long. I thought it was fake. I thought it was a fan edit. Uh, I didn't watch that game show, whatever one it was announced in. So, when I saw it go on YouTube, I I legitimately thought it was just like a fan edit. um and didn't believe it for so long and then people were talking about it like I think years later and I was like wait what that was real um that was wild. I can't believe that I still can't believe they did that. Um yeah I I don't think Oh man I I'm kind of strongly of the opinion that it's been it's been downhill since Morwind. Um, but the peak of Morwind was so high that the slope was still really, really good. Um, but like Fallout 4, even compared to Skyrim, even compared to Oblivion, I think was like a continual down. Fallout 4 was still really fun. It was a great game, but it felt like the worst one out of those. I feel like as someone who came into the series on Oblivion, it's tough and then tried to play Mororrowind because Oblivion was so great and I wanted more. You can't go back. You You have to look at Morowind in the time capsule of when it was released. Sure. Um I'm not I'm not suggesting you go back and play it now, but when it was released, Morowind was an insane game. Like there was there was nothing like it. Um, it it was wild. Um, and the the the way that I'm describing this like downward slope is basically like um like the weapon systems were reduced for Oblivion. The the you'd be you might be surprised having played Oblivion, but the magic system was was reduced for Oblivion. Um things just got simpler and simpler and simpler. Oblivion was a fantastic game. I think I think in a lot of respects you can say it was better than Morwind but um yeah under understanding the climate in which Morwind released I I still think Morowind's better if that makes sense. anyways and and Skyrim was a like massive simplification of things as well. Um I don't know. I can understand people might not agree with that argument, but I do think especially beyond Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Fallout 76, I think is what it's called. Um, and Starfields and some of the mobile games that they did and things like that. It's been I don't know. I still don't think Elder Scrolls 6 and I I talked big game about how I thought Starfield was going to be great. So, hey, maybe I'm going to be terribly wrong again. Um, but I still don't think Can you still call yourself a Bethesda fan? Do you can you be fully rational and logical about Bethesda or will you still have naive hope in spite of all evidence from the last 10 years cuz I think that's the line right is is that's tough though cuz like I did enjoy Fallout 4. Um, I thought it was a lot weaker than New Vegas and I thought it was weaker than three again. So, note that I said 10 years that it launched, Luke, I said 10 years. I'm trying to remember. Fallout 4 came out 11 years ago. Jesus. No, it didn't. Yes, it actually 10 and a half years. No, it didn't. Shut up. Holy crap. That I just broke him. I broke him down. I'm sorry. You want to know something funny? You know how I've like taken a break from streaming for a long time? I went through my most recent streaming assets folder. It's all Fallout 4 stuff. My taking a break has been a decade. Oh my god. He's dying, Dan. Holy crap. Okay. Um, oh man. Should I break him again? I How old is Mororrowind? Oblivion. I know the Xbox. Oblivion was 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz Xbox 360 like I knew that one. For some reason, the gap between Oblivion and Fallout 4 seems so much bigger than between Fallout 4 and now. I don't know why that's true, but it feels like it. Um, okay. So the the question of the last 10 years thing is is tough. Yeah, it's tough. Even even if we look like locally, right? If we look at Landis Media Group, like Landis Media Group looking five years back is so much different in what we're doing, who works here, our capabilities are, all that kind so different. Go back go back seven years, completely different thing. Um, so it's okay. It's been an incredibly long time since Skyrim, but the only mainline game that they've released in that time. I don't I don't necessarily think I believe 76 is a mainline game. Is that fair to say? I don't know. This was meant to be kind of a yes or no answer, Luke. Yeah. Sorry. Are you still a fan of Bethesda? Well, I I what I think I'm saying is I can't conclusively say either way because they haven't really released anything in the series that I liked in that period of time. They haven't released a mainline Fallout game. They haven't released a mainline Elder Scrolls game. Those are the two games that made me love Bethesda. So, I don't think I can say I I'm I'm going to still naively hold out hope though. Okay, then it sounds like you can still be at least a little bit of a fan cuz if you can naively hold out hope for something. I think I am reviews and buying ES6 day one guaranteed cuz I I have to experience it. I must there's no other like I think that's the answer. 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Governor Kathy Ochel uh will have the final say and must decide before December if the state will enact a permanent ban on all data centers that demand 20 megawws or more of power. Uh as as a quote uh this is one of the first times that we're really drawing a line in the sand and saying that as a state legislature we have the responsibility to make sure New Yorkers are in the driver's seat. uh said New York Senator Kristen Gonzalez. And then again to quote, "Big tech has been used uh has been used to writing their own rules or not having rules that they have to play by, which is yeah, I mean, fair enough." Um I feel like Yeah, it's…

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