Laravel Cloud Office Hours

Oh, I forgot to get my water bottles. We'll live. We should be live. Hi everyone. Happy Friday. Devin, you can go get your water bottle if you need it. I'm good. I got my coffee for now. Okay. I have mine too. Cheers. I have iced coffee even though it was like 30° F out. Hi, Florian. My favorite cup. If you watch Suits, it's a a special from that show. Okay, I have it. I'm not I don't watch a bunch of TV shows. Wow, we're two messages in. Where's the Christmas tree? I I knew I told you. So, I posted a picture on Twitter and instantly someone Duncan was like, "Where's the Christmas tree?" And I was like, "Oh, no." Yes, I'm in a new office. New office. No Christmas tree sadly. Um not yet. Floren, I think I'm like almost a month without having any monsters. I'm like I'm nearing a month. I think I'm on like day 20some. I I got to go check, but I've cut out energy drinks for now for my health. How's it feel to be sober? It feels good. I like I was crashing pretty bad for a while. like I was really really tired and then gradually I realized like I'm not crashing as bad in the afternoons and I'm drinking way less caffeine um and I'm not getting sick whereas before I wouldn't drink monsters and then I would feel like very very sick and get bad migraines and I think I'm I'm better on that front now cuz I drink tea a lot of the times and not even coffee nice which helps too. So let's see. Hi Tessa. Ice coffee for life. Yes, I will get iced coffee all the time except when it's like maybe if it's like 10° Fahrenheit, I I'll get hot. I I can't do iced coffee unless it's like made by somebody like Starbucks, Duncan, local coffee shop. Sure. I'm not making an iced coffee at home, though. I've never been able to figure it out. I I So, I have um a Breville espresso maker and I have a Ninja and I have another coffee pot. I have a bunch of coffee makers. Um, so it's really easy to make iced coffees with them or like iced espresso drinks. Uh, let's see. Hi, uh, the J Dent. How are you doing? Welcome in. Hi, Colobby. Hi, Steyoft. Uh, Florian, I my goal is to buy some books this weekend, so I got you there. I have I guess I can move it. We'll just move the camera. All those boxes right there are books. They're all books that I still have to unpack. So, I have a bunch more, but I will buy more, too. Also, hi Josh. Welcome in from Australia. Man, what time is it there for you? Today, I tried making bubble tea at home with uh tapioca pearls. Still working on it. I tried that once with like one of those instant kits and it was not great. I can I can't do the tapioca pearls myself. I've tried like five times and I like I It's texture. Oh, okay. I like them. I like them a lot. I just don't like the ones they give you in the kits. Like I like the ones from the place. Hi, welcome in. Also, hi Jason. Yes. Hello. What's the stream about? Never been here before. Yeah, I've never seen this name before. Never ever. But a great question of what's this stream about? So this is Laravel Cloud office hours. Um, so we're here to answer any questions that you might have about Laravel cloud. We also might be able to answer some general questions about uh Laravel or other things as well, but mainly focused on cloud. And yeah, let's go ahead and get into some intros. So my name is Leah Thompson. If you've been here before, you've probably seen me. Uh I am a deval engineer here at Laravel and I also do a lot with our online communities and today I'm here with Devin Garbalosa who has been on our other lovely office hour streams with me. Devin, would you like to do a quick intro? Yeah, absolutely. Thanks. Devin Garbalosa, solutions engineer here at Laraveville. I work on our sales team helping clients uh do plan and execute their migrations uh as they move on to Laraveville cloud. Beautiful. We love it. So, you work a lot with Laravel Cloud. A lot, right? All day. Yeah. So, we have Devon here today to help answer any questions you might have. Um, especially if they're kind of specific questions about your company's needs or different things uh for Laravel Cloud, if you're interested in migrating, anything like that, anything super specific, Devon will be able to help with, help answer. And yeah, we are just going to be answering um questions that we already got on the slido. Let me share the link for the slido. It is in the description on YouTube and LinkedIn, but let me drop it here as well. If you have questions, feel free to drop them in the slido. We already have a couple questions in there, so we're going to uh focus on answering those and then we can answer any questions in chat as well. We also have a little demo showing how to upgrade from SQL my SQL 8.0 to 8.4 in Laravel Cloud that we'll be showing today. And besides that, we'll just be hanging out with you all and answering questions about cloud. Okay, we already are having some I guess questions or dialogue. Someone said, "I wanted to migrate to Laravel Cloud. I could not because sorry uh no Melly search support which I think didn't we talk about that some last time?" Yeah. So, uh Mosarch you can self-host. A lot of people like to do that. They also have their own hosted option that you could use via API. Alolia also has API. I think Typesense does as well. Um and actually we just made an update to the docs for Laravel the other day. Uh because with the AI SDK we made some updates to the Laravel framework and Postgress works really well with semantic searching with their vector embeddings with PG vector which is supported on cloud. Um and you can actually without having to bring in another resource like Milo search or type sensor Alolia you could get pretty pretty good uh search fe capabilities just from the framework itself. And then there's also scout that you could put on top of that on Postgress. Um, so if you use Postgress, you could totally totally use that. And you said the docs were updated. Yeah. Uh, I believe it is a new doc. Do we want to show it off? I don't know. I'm trying to find it. Okay. Yeah, it's under search. Consult the search docs. Here we go. I'll throw it in the chat here. just figure it can be helpful because sometimes it's hard to know where to look for these things. Let me see. Or do you want to pull it up and screen share? Sorry, like throwing you under the bus here. Yeah, that's fine. Screen share, which make sure I share the right one. I will add it. All right. Looks see it now. Yep. Awesome. Yeah. So, on the docs/arch, I think it's probably only on 12 and up. You'll have to double check the different versions. We could do a quick one here. Yeah. So, it's on 12 is where it starts. So, you could find it right from the scout docs. We have the search documentation here. It talks about the full text search that was added, the semantic vector search, the reranking, and then how you can use scout in that. And so, you can add full text indices and running these. Um and then if you are using uh PG vector on Postgress you can use that and our serverless Postgress on Laravel cloud supports that. So it has a few things that we've added in there with generating the embeddings um having the actual vector columns and indexing those and then being able to actually where vector similar to things like that were added. So uh that actually replaces a lot of the needs for uh external search services. They also have their their place and if you want to use those you could use scout but yeah uh right now we only support the API providers for the managed hosting for those. Gotcha. Um and then someone or the same person had said number two was no Mumbai region support. Yeah, if you uh if you want a region that we don't offer, if you go to our cloud docs and you open up a feature request, you can put that in and we collect those from all over. And we definitely are looking at what regions we should do next. Um we just added uh Dubai in the UAE and I think we're we're looking at a couple others right now. Um potentially Tokyo, potentially somewhere in uh South America um coming soon. So if you're if you're interested in Mumbai, definitely put in a request for that so we can get it on uh get it on our at least our backlog. And where do we go again to put in the request to put in the request? Oh, from the docs on cloud. So just cloud.l.comdocs and then you can find where is it? They changed this on me recently. You have to be logged in. Oh, it's the help menu now. Maybe. There it is. It's help right from the cloud dashboard. You can ask a question or send feedback. You can just go here and send feedback and ask for the region. We are still screen sharing the other tab. Oh, yep. I love that. That's funny. Yep. So, if you're on your cloud organization, you can just click on your face, click help, and it'll pop open the chat window here, and you can just send feedback and request that region there. Uh, and our support team will get that added to the to the backlog. Gotcha. Yeah. So, definitely go in and put your request there. And thank you for the little demonstration of how how to get to the little chat box to do that, Devin. Yes. Sorry, it's taking me a second to get these messages. My mouse is being so crazy today. Um, Joshy Boy said, "TypeSense." Typesense. TypeSense. They're a company that does search. People like it. It's like Alolia and uh, uh, Milo Search just another one. Elastic is also another one that people like, too. Um, honestly, there was a question here. Someone said, same person um said, "I'm looking to build an uptime monitoring service similar to existing platforms. What's the best hosting option for this kind of application? And what are the pros and cons of using Laravel Cloud?" That's an interesting one. Um depends on what you're trying to do with that. Um similar to existing platforms, there's a lot of them. They all do different things, so probably need a little more specifics. Um the pros of hosting on Laravel cloud is that when you are ready to scale things, there is not a lot of change that you have to make to an application for it to get massive scale. Um you have the ability to split out your app compute and your worker compute. So you can properly scale those independently both vertically and horizontally for the needs. Um, I imagine for an uptime monitoring, you're going to have a front end that it'll probably be fairly low traffic compared to how many uptime requests you do. You know, if you're checking every minute or every five minutes or something, that'll probably be a lot of background key work that's happening. So, you'd probably really want to be able to scale out that back end and keep that front end small. Um, so that would definitely be some of the pros for that. Um, again, without understanding kind of a little bit more about the details of what you're doing and how you're building that, how you plan to do your front end, what other features you're trying to offer, I can't really speak to any of the the exact ways that you would do that, but yeah, I think I think that's one of the things is Larvo Cloud is built to help scale applications very easily. Remove your screen for now. when we go back to the um to show the MySQL upgrade thing. Remind me to share your screen again. No problem. Someone said there are a couple different things. Um but someone did say, "Been loving the websocket scaling. Websockets are great. Reverb is awesome." I love that it's just in cloud now. So easy. Yeah. There's three three services in cloud that got set up that are just like it blows my mind how easy they made it. The first one is inertia SSR with the starter kits uh being opinionated on how they set those up and then having the toggle built in to cloud. Um Octane having the toggle built in and not having to figure out how to get uh Frank and PHP working and then reverb. Those three always were so likeh I'm going to go spend a couple hours trying to figure this out and get this working and now they're just built in and it's just like click click click done. Love it. Yeah, I did a lot of react and inertia talks last year and I love to like have a little slide that I'm like you might be thinking how hard is it to enable inertia SSR. Not that hard and it just shows the toggles because I think there's a toggle for F forge too for the same thing. It's like if you're using cloud or forge, you just hit the toggle. Like I loved showing that. Yeah, it's so great. Um, okay. So, someone said, um, can we have PITR with MySQL on Laravel cloud? If not, let me have hourly backups. Right now, I can only do daily backups. Yes. So, point in time recovery on Laravel MySQL is not currently supported. Um, definitely on the road map of something to add. Um on private cloud we do have my SQL through RDS which does have point in time recovery and uh more snapshot options for you. Um we don't have anything other than daily backups right now on Laraveville MySQL as well but you do have the ability to run um your own backups on jobs and things if you needed to to S3 if you do have a need that's more than that. Got you. Uh, we have another question. You're running K8 under the cloud. Kates. Kubernetes. Yes. I know it's Kubernetes. I just always pronounce it wrong. Both Kubernetes and Kates. Kates. Yeah. No, it's fine. Uh, it gets everybody, but yes. Yeah, Lar Cloud runs on runs on top of Kubernetes. So, hi, welcome in. Um, welcome in. Okay, my mouse is bugging me so much. Okay, I also have, "How can you calculate cost? Is it more of a VPS or more of serverless?" Trying to get my head around it. Actually got to do more research. Yeah. So, if you want to pull up my screen, I can show our pricing calculator. Do you want me to go ahead and add it now or do you want to go to the calculator? Yeah, go for it. By the time you get it up here, it'll be up. And there we go. Awesome. So, if you go to cloud.lair.com/pricingcal, we have a calculator out here. Uh has some presets to get you quick started. There's some other things you could do. You could show or hide your breakdown here. Um if you're trying to do a personal site and, you know, pick wherever you want to go. In this case, we'll do London. We'll say we're just going to do the starter plan. it's going to uh limit based on the features of that starter plan. So like you can't use the promp compute on there until you're on a growth plan. So if you enable that, it'll let you do that. But you could see here that you can choose the pods that everything's going to run on. Um and the pod size is basically a monthly cost. So for a flex one vcpu 512 uh megabytes of RAM, it'll be $6 a month if that pod were to run the entire month. Um, where you can have that get that change a little bit is if you have hibernation on and if you are hibernating 50% of the time, it'll only be $3 a month because it's only up for half it. It's up 100, it'll be there. And so you can kind of use this slider, you could shut it off all the way. Um, then the different pod sizes as you scale up, obviously they have more compute, they have different costs. And then if you're going to add like a worker compute to do your work separately, then that has its own cost here and those kind of total up there. Your resources are here. You're allowed to choose those. Um, this only does support showing one database at a time right now, but you can kind of do what you want to do. If you need hibernating on both the compute as well as the database, our serverless Postgress does offer uh hibernation so that you can hibernate both keep the cost really low. Uh, and then if you need cache or object storage or websockets, you could add that in here. And so this is the best way to calculate your costs. Um, if you're out running kind of the idea of what this is, if you're doing, you know, larger stuff, as we like to say, business plan, enterprise plan, kind of running your business off of this, and you need that, you can always contact our sales team. Um, or you can go to our SLE enterprise page here. So, cloud.lairvel.comenterprise, layer.com/enterprise fill out this form to get an infrastructure review and you'll probably get me or one of my colleagues and then uh we could talk about some of the features that we offer for private cloud which has isolated uh Kubernetes cluster keeps out the noisy neighbors allows you to VPC peer and connect to other existing AWS resources and we do have some additional features available there like RDS my SQL which has point in time recovery and some of the other features that businesses require Yeah. And I also shared, let me pin it real quick. I did share the link to um the pricing calculator that Devon is showing off and or did show off. So, if you go to that link, then you can just play around with the pricing calculator like Devon just showed to get an idea of how much it would cost to host your application and resources on Laravel Cloud. We have some great questions here, too. Great questions. We did get uh Florian kind of trolling saying what even is Kubernetes. I don't know which is funny. You keep it up Florian. We might get you on here to give an in-depth master class of Kubernetes sometime. I mean I think Florian's going to be on Tuesday. So we could get the master class then. We gota we got to keep that a secret. But now that you're going to put it out there, just throw it out on Tuesday something really awesome. I think we can I think we can tease it. We can just tease that something big's happening Tuesday. Something big's happening Tuesday. You'll probably see both of us at the very least. Yeah, at the very least you'll see me. If any if anybody guesses in the chat what Tuesday is. I'll I'll give you a high five at Florian doesn't count. You can't guess. Okay, so we have this question. Some of my customers have Laravel and also legacy PHPs projects on Forge. What are your first thoughts on porting non Laravel projects to Laravel Cloud? Yeah, so Taylor just uh sent out a tweet uh yesterday or the day before that we have Symphfony support in beta right now on Laravel Cloud. Uh so you can actually ship Symphfony apps and give us feedback on that as we're trying to improve that. Next up, we're going to try and support some of the more edge frameworks and vanilla PHP applications on there. So, uh, definitely something we're trying to tackle in the first half of this year is supporting more of the PHP ecosystem as a whole. Um, so coming soon. Absolutely. And someone even said, um, if I get to a pin it that Nuno is streaming right now of how to ship to Laravel Cloud with Symphony 8. Nice. Yeah. Yep. So, it would be a great thing to watch, too. Um, and then Kobe said, "Is there a way to hibernate on specific days? I.e. our admin portal could be hibernating on the weekends, which I think that's an interesting one." That is a very interesting one. So, you have the ability to hibernate just based on no traffic hitting it. So, if nobody's reaching your website on the weekends, it will just hibernate. Um, I assume that you're actually coming more from the perspective of you want it to not hibernate during the week, so you don't have the slow load um for that first hit. And so, you want to kind of have it up or down. Right now it's click ops. You could kind of just go turn it on and turn it off. Uh we are actively working on some different things to have scheduled autoscaling which I believe will include the ability to schedule down to zero. Um, so I that's at least autoscaling should be schedulable very soon and then after that more books refuge Florian already said earlier that I need more books too. So she just needs to unpack them. No. Um, okay. My guess is turtles. Yeah, it's definitely it's always turtles. Always turtles and tacos. Always. That's that's that's a valid that's a valid uh answer, but it is wrong. It is wrong. Um we also have how about cash and Cloudflare etc. How about it? Are you saying on the pricing calculator? So yeah, I'm not sure if it's about that or what you were just talking about or if you're talking about the Cloudflare cache. So we have our network layer for Laravel Cloud is uh uses Cloudflare and their Argo tunnels and their cache. Um, the way that it works is any traffic that is coming into Laravel Cloud first passes through your DNS. If you use Cloudflare as your DNS provider, then you also have their ability to use their CDN and and all their rules and everything on their plan. And so any of your rules will fire first, then it will point to Laravel Cloud's network. Anything that we have on that rule on those rules and then it will pass through to the pod for you. So you have the ability to absolutely keep your own cloud player in front of that. Um, on our private cloud, we have the ability for you to have what we call uh private edge networking where we set up a hosted zone on Cloudflare where you can set your own rules from the cloud UI. Um, and that allows you to have like app specific and and things that are for your application and for your workloads. Um, so you know, we have a we have a company that does surveys in the US and so basically if you're not in the US, you're not allowed to answer their surveys. um it's based on geography and so they have a cloud for rule set up on their private networking edge networking that anybody whose origination is from outside the US it just gets blocked by cloudflare so they know that they're not getting their surveys skewed so um let's see let's so we have this question which I think is actually a good a really good segue into the showing how to update my SQL 8.0 to 8.4 and then we can jump into slido. So Oscar said, "Hi, could you please give me a link to know how to do the process of backup and update of my SQL?" Give give you an awesome just demo right now. How about that? And we'll add your screen. Awesome. So basically right now if you have a database that is running on MySQL 8.0, it is coming to end of life at the end of April. um the community edition and and what Oracle presents this was reported like four years ago that this date was coming um and so it's time to time to go up to 8.4 for most people or uh 9.0 is going into general availability later this year. So um that's there. So zoom in a little bit. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. So as part of that we shipped support uh firstly for 8.4. So you can go ahead and create an 8.4 cluster if you're starting brand new. Um, and so I have an instance of private cloud that I use for internal testing. So you'll see here that I have some more options for the RDS ones. So we can see that those are out. But Laravel MySQL 8.4 right there. And then you could create a new one from there. If you have an 8.0 instance, you will see these yellow banners all over the place and they say that it ends March 2026 and that you should upgrade to 9 8.4. So we've made this really easy. Uh we have set up an upgrade path for these clusters. It does do a downtime that could be up to 15 minutes, but all you have to do is come in here and click update and then it will ask you to type in the name and then you just upgrade the database cluster and it will do the upgrade for you. Uh if it fails and you have to do it manually, then you could do take a backup and you could restore it if you needed to. I don't have any backups right now uh to to show that, but you could restore it and try again. Uh if you are hesitant to risk and you want to make sure the upgrade works before you do that, definitely take one of your backups, restore it to a new cluster running 80, and then do the upgrade there as a as a dry run. Um and that'll be the fastest way to do that. But yeah, this will just update and then the database becomes available. So we made it really easy to do that. So if you follow the little like banners on upgrading it, you don't have to worry about getting a backup or any of that. Nope. It basically does that for you in the background. So, it's takes a stops the connections, takes a backup, spins up the new operator on 84, and then does the restore there and then reports that there. So, so you weren't lying when you said it's as easy as clicking a button. It's as easy as click It's already done, too. Look, like it's that easy. I love that. Oh, did you say whenever um what is it? Whenever support's ending for my SQL 8.0 zero incloud. Uh yeah, so support is just in general for 8.0 is ending. I believe it's April 30th. Uh may even be sometime in March. Um but that is basically there will be no more accepted updates for security patches or otherwise to Laravel MySQL 8.0. I'm not not even Laravel, my SQL 8.0 will no longer be in security support or any extended support um after that date. And so, um, April 30th is kind of the drop deadad date from what I understand for that. Uh, I believe we're saying that we're we're saying the end of, uh, sometime in March. Mhm. Yeah. All of that's detailed in the little banners like Deon just It has it right here. End of life, March 26. So, can you see that? Do I need to zoom in more? Yeah. Can you zoom in? I'm like squinting at my screen. Thank you. Is that Is that zoomed in enough for you? I don't know. I might need a little bit more. No, leave it. Someone's going to look at it. Someone's going to look at it and be like, "Why are you zooming in so much?" It's funny. What do we get to on the Zoom here? 400%. There we go. There we go. I even have my contacts in. Okay, Ashley did say, "I've got lots of cool books. I'll send them to you, Leah." Yes, please do. I need all the books. Um, but yeah, Oscar, hopefully that helped show you how to going back to this of how to upgrade from MySQL 8.0 to 8.4. If you have more questions about it, feel free to drop them in chat, too. Um, but Devon's demo showed how easy it is if you just follow the banners in cloud and then you just basically click click the upgrade button and you don't have to worry about manually dealing with the process of backups or anything. Yeah, we'll I'll grab those as a takeaway to make sure that if our docs are not updated with some guide that it will be and we'll try and post it here in the chat once that's available. See, see that miss anything else? Someone had asked earlier um I could ask a spirit keeping humanto human conversation alive. What's the use case for working with symphony and isolation when Laravel is built upon it? opinion mostly. Um, it depends. Uh, people like Symphony, they like what it offers. Um, people like Laravel because they like what it offers. The biggest thing I've ever come down to is if you ever meet somebody and they say they're a Symphony developer, if you say the word facade anywhere near them, you might lose your head. Um, so I think that's that's one of the big things that that's like the disagreement, but that's just again kind of kind of how you see it. So, um, but yeah, it is. It does kind of extend Symphony a ton. Um, but yeah, people like Symphony. I feel like a lot of stuff in tech just comes down to opinions. It's like, why do you use this over this? It's like because I like it. Like just opinions. Because I've been using it for a lot of years and I don't have to think as hard. Happens. Let's switch to the Sidum real quick. I know. Let me make sure D unpinned this one just so it's not confusing what we're answering. Okay, two slido. Someone said, "When will we be able to run our own containers on cloud or customize the defaults a bit to run node/chromium on them?" So, node is in there currently uh because that's how inertia SSR runs and that's how you can do your builds. Um, so, uh, if you're trying to do something else with node that then there might be that might not be supported because I think we strip it out after the build out of the image to keep it small. Um, but there is some ways that you can you can kind of get around that. So, node specifically, there are there it depends. Um, as far as Chromium and and those things, uh, we are currently working on and this will deploy out for our private cloud customers, uh, definitely first as we try and test this out, the ability to customize the packages and underlying things that go into that. So the reason we don't offer it today quite frankly is that anything that is in the base image that the you add your git repo to and then do your build on top of is in the base image for everybody who's on cloud. And so a lot of workloads that don't need chromium would have that. And if it's 20 megabytes for every image times that by every deployment times every environment times every application times every user that's out there becomes a lot of 20 megabytes and it becomes costly and it becomes just burdensome to kind of to kind of move that data. And then the other thing is that that being in the image takes away from how fast the build times of the images can be. And so, um, as we start to look at some of these heavier dependencies, it has to be a little bit of an opt-in kind of a solution because we don't want to have everybody who doesn't need it penalized because a few people do need it. And so, we're looking at the best way to do that. Um, I think we have a pretty decent answer of where we're going to get that to, and we're going to test it out with our private cloud customers first um, to have a a reduced population, and then hopefully that'll be something that we ship later this year for more general. Um, but definitely private cloud customers I believe are coming quarter two. No, I think that's great. I'm laughing. Um, because Florian's comment note is evil. I'd rather see review on Rails apps on cloud. Florian kind of hurts. Node. Node is at least a necessary evil though. Yeah, I like Node. I mean, I would much rather write PHP backends than like use Node and Express for a backend, but I I like Node. The mouse strikes again. Okay. And then so we answered that slide, huh? Um, another Slido question. What common pitfalls cause performance issues in billing heavy Laravel apps on Laravel cloud and how can they be avoided? I don't know what a billingheavy Laravel app means explicitly. Um, looks like this one's from Moheat. Moheat, if you're in in any of the chats, please give a little more information on what you mean by a building heavy app. Um, I could talk a little bit kind of generally about apps that have kind of huge load. And so this one's actually near and dear to my heart. Florian and I, Florian from the chat here, uh, from our from our infra team have been working on doing some load tests recently, um, for for something we're trying to get going. And what we have found, uh, as we're kind of building that out is thinking about your request life cycle and how that's going to go. And so uh as you are thinking about the way that a PHP in production really works is you have your uh your endpoint gets hit, you usually serve that from something like engine X that's going to activate PHP FPM that's going to then boot the framework and then it's going to execute the request and it's going to do everything that needs to do there. So one way to help speed that up is by introducing Octane. Octane uses Frank and PHP and Caddy server instead of using EngineX and PHP FM um in the right use cases and if you tune that correctly, the reason that speeds up your app and helps you have uh run out of some of the pitfalls is that it boots the framework one time into memory and then your requests get served off of that from memory instead of having to boot every time. So, especially for heavy uh read apps, it really helps to give you just that that that speed boost. Um the other thing to think about is what has to be done in the request layer or in the HTTP layer and what doesn't. Um so something if you're writing data to a to a database or you're putting a log, you should use the defer helper. Um can you use the concurrency helper? Can you you know wait for things to load in the background? Can you dispatch it to a queue? Um all of those things kind of help. I think that reverb definitely helps you kind of bring that forward, right? Because then you could emit the event back to the front. you could dispatch it that so your app stays snappy but you have more workers in the background. So really depends on what you're trying to do um and what what billing heavy kind of means. I'm assuming if you're doing high transactions things like that um some of these would help. If you do need that immediate making sure your app code is absolutely tuned uh very well you could use something like telescope um which is one of our packages in local development. Don't use telescope in production. You will hate yourself. Um, but telescope will help you a ton to be able to see like uh how many queries did this make? How long do those take to make? Can I add an index? Start to think about those things. It'll help you capture N plus1 query issues which cause performance at scale. Um, so definitely looking at that. Um, and then Nightw Watch is probably the greatest way to avoid pitfalls. If you run nightw watch on your production apps, it will help you a ton to be able to catch like, hey, why did this thing go from one millisecond to 10 seconds and can I see that? And you can look at the flame graph and see all the things that are in there. So, um, using tooling, using APM, using performance monitoring and doing those things is kind of the best way to make sure that you don't run into pitfalls. And then because you mentioned Nightw Watch, I think it's a great place to kind of state that um, if you haven't kept up with like announcements this week. So much is shipped. There were some really cool cloud things. But with Nightw Watch itself, we like shipped a linear integration for Nightw Watch as well as an MCP server for Nightw Watch. And people have already been doing really cool things with the MCP server where like Nightw Watch will find an error and then they'll use the MCP server to get that error from Nightw Watch and then use Cloud Code to then fix that error and then instantly just deploy it like push it up deploy it and then they're good to go like error fixed. So using Nightw Watch is a great way like Devon said to kind of catch those things. love love Nightw Watch. And there's there's been other features besides like the linear integration that were added. There is scoping for who the user is when you're in other screens. So you can be like, "Hey, what error did this person actually run into?" and be able to kind of see their life cycle and things. Um so just more and more shipping almost feels like every day in Nightw Watch, which is just awesome to see. And it's really really easy to integrate Nightw Watch into your cloud applications. you like there's a button right there on your screen to be able to set it up. Are you screen sharing it or is that still your screen from earlier? I can. Yeah. Screen share it. I'm going to add you back. All right. So, if you've got an application that you want to watch with Nightw Watch, you can go out to Nightw Watch and you can add a new application. Give it the name that you want. Super cool. Is this Are you on a different one? Did it open another one? Yeah, it did. Sorry. I was like, "Our screen isn't moving." Yep. Sorry. It does that. So, you click up here. You could say new application and you could say demo app. You could upload an icon if you want. You pick the region where you want that data to be stored. Um, and then you can give it the environment URL if you want. It's going to give you a token code here. And I'm going to move that away real quick. And then if you go over here to cloud, here's the button. And then you just enable monitoring. You give it the code. You make sure that you've composer required that. And then you just go ahead save and deploy and it will redeploy with that and then allow you to do that. So uh it's it's a ton of help to be able to do that. And it's it's that quick. And it's done. I was trying to find my nightw watch glasses because Florian said nightw watch and light mode's illegal. By the way, I am wearing my sunglasses but I don't know where he could say that. He could say that but light mode is beautiful, beautiful in nightw watch. So, hi Romero, welcome in. Um, Styles has said telescope is excellent, a lifesaver. I want to get to So, there was one more question in um the Slido. So, I want to answer that and then we'll answer more questions that we got on just the live chat from the stream. So, someone said, "Why use cloud over something like Forge?" Why use cloud over something like Forge? Um, this is this is another fun one. Uh, preference is is a good one on that one. Some people really like Forge. They like control. Um, you know, as we talked about a little earlier in the stream, right now we only support Laravel and Symphony workloads. Um, so if you have workloads that are just general PHP or WordPress or uh you're running Node, unfortunately, shout out Florian on that one. Um, you can use Forge to provision those servers and allow you that control. And so um, essentially Forge is kind of like a control plane to manage your own cloud and make it a little easier for you so you don't have to get it um, really deep into the technicals of how you do that. Um, but the where cloud really comes into play is that cloud takes away the need for you to have to know how to do all of that. So for a lot of people there's just a barrier to entry. I don't want to learn Linux to go figure out how to do this thing or I don't want to learn how to install things on iuntu or you know the biggest thing that I see people uh really excel with cloud over something like forge is the story of scale. You create an app, you set it up on Forge, you have your app server, it runs your database, your cache, your app, your EngineX, all of it, all in one server, which is great when you've got a new idea and things are are are going, but the moment that app starts getting a ton of traffic and you really takes off and you're like, man, I'm going to quit my job and really run this business and you got to you got to go to the next one. Where do you go next? The answer is now you've got to go you've got to create a new server for the database. You've got to create a new server for the cache. You've got to create a new server for the load balancer. You've got to create a new server for the app. Then you've got to migrate all of that. Now you've got to deploy them at the same time. You've got to make sure the load balancer points to them every time you need a new app. And so this is all stuff you don't have to worry about in cloud. You set it up one time. If your app starts getting more, you go and click two buttons to allow the autoscaling to kick on. And then as your app is under load, it'll scale out. When it's not, it'll go back down and really gives you that flexibility. And so cloud just really takes away a lot of like the management. Um, the other thing is you're not updating Linux once a month or once a decade like most of you out there that probably actually use Linux. I used to do it myself, too. I've had servers out there with scared vulnerabilities for a long time because I just never looked at them. Um, so we manage that for you. We manage the database updates. You know, things like this uh with my SQL 8.0 to 8.4. We made a really easy path for you um to do that on cloud because we have the ability to control that infrastructure underlying. Um even just some of the nicities that we have built in with having the edge network and being able to trap things DDoS protection you know all of that you have to kind of buy off the shelf from different places and cog together even if you are using something like forge which gets you know zero to 80 really quick cloud is a full solution end to end for a fully managed platform and then it has the really nice like ways or really easy ways to bring in reverb and octane and set up inertia SSR which I know Forge does the same thing for inertia SSR but like still um y but all those are also predicated on the fact that you haven't changed the way that that server works right because on forge you have the ability to go in and go edit the node path right and if you've done that and now we try to take off inertia for you because you checked off the box and node's not there we it's it's not there so on cloud you don't have to worry about that because we always know where node is because we don't let you move where node That's a good a really good call too. And when you're talking about like scaling and stuff like that, whenever you're having to do it yourself um on like Forge or any other way where you're managing it yourself, you kind of have to understand what's going on and like what you would need to scale. Um, like I know whenever we did the migration uh for with Eric Barnes for Laravel News from I think from Forge to cloud, he was talking about like he was having um like a bunch of traffic so he had to kind of scale it. So he just bought like a bigger box then paid more money to make it work, but he wasn't like really sure if he needed that size or not. And I know like if I had to do it, I'd be the same way. I would just be like, "Okay, let me just try something. If it works, I'm going with it." But like you might be spending more money than you need to like than you realistically need to or you might not solve your problem. Sometimes getting a bigger box is not going to actually get you any more like set your engine X config to have more workers. And so now you're just paying more for the same amount of workers that were getting oversaturated. And so you know it all depends on what you're doing. And so a lot of that we just manage in the background. And and quite frankly I don't think anybody knows how to ship a Laravel app better than Laravel. No. Hot take. Not really. I don't think that's a hot take. No. No. Uh, also we have Dave in the chat. What's up, party people? Hi Dave. Happy What's up, Dave? Okay, I think we got all of the uh slido questions. I'll check it again in a minute, but let's go through some of the other questions we had here. Um, someone said, "Hey, any plans to add public status pages to Nightw Watch? seems like the natural missing piece in the Laravel monitoring stack. I think we have that. Um, I'm gonna call on Florian in the chat. Florian, I believe we have a monitoring page for uptime and whatnot on Nightw Watch. If we do, could you share that in the chat, please? We'll wait for mouse zoomed away. Um, yeah, we can come back to that if he if he answers and tells me I'm crazy, but I'm pretty sure we have one. Someone said, um, Sor said, "Herd has a feature to deploy to forge. Will Herd consider having a similar feature to deploy to cloud?" So, Herd um is owned and managed by Beyond Code, which is a affiliate of ours, partner of ours. um they have already started adding some cloud features uh for like Tinkerwell and some of the other apps that they have. The big thing is they're waiting on us to release the API into general availability for cloud. So it's right now in uh developer preview or early access. Um you have to reach out to our support team to ask for access to that. I believe we are trying to get that into general availability this quarter. Um, so once that goes in, I believe you're going to see a lot more with Herd and some of the other things being able to have some uh things built right in the cloud. Um, also I think that as we approach Laracon EU, tune into some of the talks there because I think there's more cool stuff that'll uh answer that question for you, which Laracon EU is not next week, but the following week, so it's like a week and a half away. It is March 2nd and 3rd. So like Devon said, tune in there, like follow along. Um I'm not sure. Is it live streamed? I'm not I think so. I think Eric Barnes is doing it. Oh yes, he is. It is live streamed and Yeah. Okay. I forgot about that. Yeah. So it will be live streamed. Um Eric Barnes will be doing some live streaming for it as well. And then just following along on Twitter. Twitter always explodes during the Laracons I feel like with like any news and stuff. But I know like in general there'll be a bunch of cool stuff at EU. And if you're at laronu, I'll be at the cloud booth and the artisan booth. Come say hi. I'll be there, too. I'll be at the booth. Um, and I'll be speaking, so feel free to say hi to me. Ask about my Christmas tree. It's not up at my new office. Um, Florian said, second, Florian said, I think the question is about pages for people's apps, status page. That makes a ton of sense. Yeah, I'm seeing Dave said something similar. So you're so I guess corre correct us if we're wrong Joshy boy. Uh are you saying that for anything that you're having on nightw watch if you're seeing downtime that it has a status page update for you? Um if that's the case I agree. Tessa said that would be a great feature. I absolutely agree and we should definitely uh work with the team on that Leah as a potential option. For all I know that might actually already be on the road map. I actually don't know about that one but we'll definitely take a look. I like that idea. Even if that's not what you mean, Joshy boy. I'm gonna add that to as a request from me personally because I like that. Let me see. I'm gonna Yeah, I'll go back and take a screenshot of it later, but yeah, we'll definitely bring that in internally. any like ideas or things people think would be good features, feel free to let us know on um social media or different places and we bring feedback in internally. Let's see. My mouse is going overdrive right now. It keeps going to my other monitor. The problem is you have a mouse magic trackpad for the win. I do want to buy one. I think this is the final push I needed to buy one. Um, Gregor asked, "Is Laravel cloud best suited for deploying Laravel and or Symphony projects or is there also an advantage in deploying a pure PHP project on Laravel Cloud? Is this even possible or is there some sort of adapter needed?" So, right now you can do Laravel applications. Uh, awesome. And it is is definitely best-in-class for shipping Laravel applications. Symfony support just got released um in beta this week or last week. Um so you could definitely try Symphfony out now. Um and then as far as vanilla PHP goes, that's something that we have on the road map. I believe we're trying to deliver that early this year, if not into like Q3 this year to have more support for PHP in general. And so that's something we're definitely working on getting going. So right now, Laravel's a go. Symphony is a a soft go and should be a a solid go very soon. And then vanilla PHP to follow. And do we know whenever vanilla PHP does follow would there be any kind of adapter or it would just be I don't think so. Yeah. The way we we do it right now is we could tell based on your composer JSON file. So Makes sense. Also Josh boy did confirm. Yeah, that's what I meant. Roger. Awesome. Great idea. Great idea. Um, someone said, okay, how would you deploy a simple site on cloud with a 24hour caching for all pages and static assets so it wakes from hibernation at most once daily and serves stale content while refreshing the cache? Uh, you're going to need a CDN. Um, and you're going to probably need to set your headers and things properly in the app. Um, and then you're going to just have to set up uh cache rules, I believe, is the way you would answer that. So, you can't necessarily use your own cache because that's going to boot the framework to access it. So, you'd have to use a CDN uh like Cloudflare, and that should be something that you could use there. The big thing that you're going to have to do if you use somebody like Cloudflare is the PHP PHP Laravel framework has the cookies um for the CSRF protection uh on the routes by default. So you would probably want to create another route group, disable that for pages that don't need it. Um, and so that would probably be the way to make sure that there are no cookies getting passed, which means that the cache would allow it to be hit and not viewed as changed. Um, and then you could set that up and then yeah, it would it would only whenever the cash was missed, it would hit your compute and then go back to sleep. Definitely an option. I think to add one more to that, the biggest thing that you're going to run into is all of the bot scrapers and AI things that are trolling the web. um when they go and they try to hit requests for things that are not actual routes on your application, that is going to wake your your hibernation because it's a real request and there's nothing in the cache for it. So that's probably something that you want to go to Cloudflare and set some security rules and tell those to just get blocked on the edge. Um I think the best practice is probably to whitelist the routes that you do know versus block all the millions of random routes that could go. I don't think that'll work very well. Um, but that's something that you could do to check that out. Um, is definitely is definitely uh get that done. I have seen people do that a ton. Um, or strive to do that a ton. So, we also have okay question Joshy boy again. Um, this was earlier one. What's the uptime SLA for Laravel Cloud itself? It depends on your uh what you're doing or how you are using Laravel cloud. Um so if you are on our business support or artisan support, we have contractual agreements for those uh for Laravel cloud regularly. I don't actually know uh if we have a contractual service level agreement for general cloud. I don't think so. Um, I'll definitely have to take that as a as a takeaway, but I do know that we offer uh up to 99.95 and 99 uh on private cloud for enterprise customers contractually. And this is more of a general question. Want to fill in one thing. I uh my man Alex came through and I just put in the chat the link to the upgrade MySQL 8.4 docs in there. Can you send it to me on Slack or in our private chat so I can put it here? Yeah, I try to do it through through Stream and it told me I failed. Yeah, I put it in the chat already too. So Devon at Larville is me and YouTube, but for everybody else it's not on YouTube. We'll see. Where'd you send it to me or where'd you put it? Slapped it to you. You slacked it to me. I don't see it. Oh, that's because I slacked it back to the person who sent it to me. I was like looking. I'm like, uh, okay. Let's see. There we go. Because someone did ask earlier for the link. So, here is a link as well of how to upgrade my SQL to 8.4. Yay. And I did I did get another ping in the background here. We do not have a SLA for uptime on general cloud. It is only through our business contracts. There was Sorry, I'm trying to find the one question again. It was more general about Laravel. I think I saw it while it was up here. It was uh about Laravel's future. Mhm. I've been considering learning Laravel. Do you believe Laravel has a future in our current environment? I mean, I'm bi I definitely do. I mean, yeah. I mean, I literally literally wear it on my chest like weekly. In fact, the other day we were in the other day, it was like a month ago. We were on on site in San Francisco and my boss was there and I walked in and I was wearing a quarterzip pullover and he was just like, "Dude, you're not wearing Laravel today." And I was like, I was like, "Every day, man. I've got enough shirts. So, u that was funny. But yeah, so I think Laravel is actually extremely well positioned to be um one of the best frameworks and just in general ways to work in the features. So, I'm assuming the undertone of this has to do with AI and the way that that's working. And so between the AI SDK uh which is great for building applications that use AI built into your to your own apps uh the MCP which allows you to add features for other AI to interact with your apps in the way that you want it to using that boost is built on top of Yep. And then Boost as well for coding with AI so that you could use the local MCPs to access the docs and things. Um, AI thrives, I'm not even gonna say strong, thrives somewhere where it's got a lot of rules and it knows the bounds and it knows where things go and there are a lot of opinions. Um, that is how you avoid hallucinations and Laravel has had those for a long time. And the motto of Laravel I I I'm g quote this I hope right has been strong opinions loosely held in the terms that we have a strong opinion about how you do something but if you disagree or your app doesn't fit that you can override the method and you can then go and do that um change that and so because of that AI doesn't have to guess hey I'm working with Laravel where do controllers go in this person's code they go in the controllers folder like and so because of that AI can really quickly iterate for you on Laravel applications and if you pair that with something like React on the front end, you could just further that and keep it going. And so, um, I think that in the future in the current environment with AI and the way that things are cooking, Laravel is actually going to neck ahead of a lot of the competitors in terms of its ability to just ship good solid ready production ready code. And with some of the stuff that's coming up that you guys will get a taste of at Laracon EU and in the future, I think that this is just going to be even easier to just build and ship right to cloud. Not to mention like the things we're continuing to do to improve the experience with AI and Blair such as like the AI SDK that just came out recently. Um this week we have the nightw watch MCP which makes it really easy to use um AI tools to integrate with nightw watch and look at those errors and then fix those bugs in your code. Uh and then also the cloud API which Devon mentioned which is in um I think developer preview right now should be releasing. Yep. should be general availability soon. Yep. Yeah. Um and that makes it really easy to deploy to cloud with like just from your terminal and stuff. It makes it easier I would say for AI tools as well. Oh yeah. To deploy stuff to cloud for you. So small story time for you. So I said earlier at the beginning of this and on these other ones that I work on the sales team here at Laravel. So, the head of sales uh on our team, Andrew, was the other day, he was like, "Hey, I've had this idea of something that I've wanted to build since chat GPT3.5 got released publicly that allows me to take transcripts of phone calls that my reps have taken and give them feedback that is catered to how I like to do it. And I've been trying to build this." And I was like, "Hey man, have you ever heard of uh Laravel and Boost? We should set it and I took an hour and I helped him set up his development environment, set up how he would ship it and gave him just like a general understanding. This guy has never touched PHP code or much code outside of SQL before in his life, fully shipped application on cloud that is doing exactly what he wanted and he is like just so geeked about it all the time that he's able to just do this and that Laravel gave him those powers. So like you you're seeing people who have never written a line of code in their life be able to just pick up Laravel with AI and and some AI tools that we've built around it and just be able to ship incredibly wonderful applications with it. So I think the future is strong. Yeah. Like a lot of our marketing team too have been like shipping apps and doing different things and deploying them on cloud and even doing like custom domains and different stuff. So I feel like I feel like Laravel is only going to thrive in the current environment with AI. Um, let's see. Tessa even said, "I can echo that sentiment. I've rebuilt an entire backend from Python to Larvo over the weekend, and it went very smoothly because of what Devon is saying." Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, we're basically at an hour. Um, I did get told that we can Are we spilling the beans? Nobody Nobody guessed it right though. Like, any more guesses? What do we think Tuesday is everybody? Wearing the wrong hat. Tip. Wearing the wrong hat. Trying to find the message. But we could we could talk about I don't know. Are we gonna have any guesses on what Tuesday is? Oh, Tuesday. Tuesday. Interesting. It's not taco Tuesday. It's not turtle Tuesday. What was the other? It's not turtles. I think it was just turtles and tacos. Turtles and tacos. I mean, solid guess. Solid guess. I think I think you rip off the band-aid, Leah. I think it's it's all you. since you are you are the ma the main person for it. So, the main host. Uh, so Tuesday is actually um Laravel Cloud's oneyear anniversary. So, it's the birthday for Cloud. Um, and so it's Tuesday, February 24th. We're going to have a like live stream party, an all day live stream party to celebrate this. Uh, so it will be, let me do it in Eastern time so it's easier for people. It'll be 9:00 a.m. Eastern time to 900 p. p.m. Eastern time. So 12 hour 12 hour stream, all day stream on Tuesday uh to celebrate a year of Lar Cloud. It will be really fun. A lot of really cool things planned for it, which you'll have to stay tuned to find out about that. But make sure to subscribe um to us wherever you're watching from. Subscribe on YouTube or our other socials to learn more about it. Um because we will be releasing more info about it. But if you subscribe, then you'll get the notification for when we go live all day Tuesday. Yeah. Be awesome. Some surprise guests, some fun activities. Oh, awesome. We have Hannah here. And Hannah said, um, he told the sales team he's no longer in sales and is switching teams. It's funny. He got one taste of shipping of coding something and shipping to cloud. He's like, I'm out engineering now. Yeah, engineer all day. Yeah, we already turn sales people into engineers. Let's have some confetti. I feel like I need like those poppers. Confetti poppers for Tuesday. I might order some. Yeah. Yeah, you're you're definitely going to need something. Yeah, because I'll be hosting. Um Devon will also be one of the like guest hosts because I will need to eat or Yeah, I'll need to eat and take a slight break from my desk chair. Sustenance required. Yeah, a lot of caffeine, too. But yeah, Woo Woo will be celebrating all day Tuesday, so make sure to subscribe and join us then. And yeah, thank you all for being here. Uh thanks for your great questions. If you have other questions about cloud, you should still be able to put questions in the slido. Get this link one more time. You should slidoh at least until the end of today. Um, and we'll use that for our next office hours because this is a recurring series. So, we'll be doing this again in two weeks from today at the same exact time, 11:00 a.m. Eastern time, so we can answer any questions there as well. Um, thank you so much Devin for being on with us and answering uh questions, giving really great answers. Um, and is there any like closing remarks you want to say about where people can find you besides Tuesday here? Yeah, Tuesday be here. I'll be here. Laracon EU, I'll be there. Come find me there. And if uh you can't do either of those and you want to find me out on social media, LinkedIn, Devin Garbalosa, and on XDgarbs51 Yeah. And like Deon said, you can find me at Laranu. You can also find me Tuesday here for Cloud's oneyear anniversary. Please be here to celebrate with us. And yeah, you can also find me on Twitter on Leah Todes and ask me any questions there. And thank you all for being here. See you Tuesday. Bye. Tuesday.