Confronting The Most Controversial Streamer Alive..

another episode. And it actually isn't two months from now because I had some random delay and I decided to play Crimson Desert for 400 hours. We're back in the same studio. I think this is the first time that we've had the same studio for two episodes, which is great. Well, the one got deleted. That's It sure did. And so anyway, we are here today with Ice Poseidon. How you doing, man? I'm good. How you doing? I am doing good. It has been a crazy what has it been 10 years uh since we last met. Yeah, something like that. Something like that. Unless Well, I saw you at Torches the one time. That's right. So, basically, I saw Ice, this was during COVID and everybody was wearing like a mask and I could obviously I can tell your [ __ ] voice, right? But the moment he has this mask on and he pulls it down over his nose and I say, "Holy [ __ ] that's Ice Poseidon. I knew it." And that was it. That was like 2020 or something. That was a long time ago. Yeah, it was. But uh and now we're here on on your show. How do you like How do you like Austin? Austin's great. I love it. It's uh you know, it's like big city, small city vibes, you know? It's uh I can just uh I mean, I can just walk everywhere. I live in the city, so it's pretty nice. I'm surprised you guys didn't actually do full streams together. You kind of look like somebody that would have like fought other people on his stream. There's a lot of people like that. Like there was I was talking about that the other day like all the other random recurring characters etc. Like seeing them occasionally like you know come up again like EBZ Hampton Brandon like Asian Andy uh Mexican Andy. Oh Burger [ __ ] planet. Oh my god I remember he came up recently too and yeah there were it was like I think that you were pretty much the first guy that really did IRL streaming and made it like a big thing on Twitch. And I feel like it was so long ago it like I mean do people really do do you feel like people still remember that or is it just like that much in your past where you're not even thinking about it anymore? I mean you know the the OG people on Twitch remember that but the new people don't know. They have no idea. It's it's so crazy because I kind there's like a playbook anytime that you see a new group come up even like what are they called now? The core boys. Core boys. Yeah. I think that they're great at what they do. Faz. Yeah. But but look at a lot of the stuff that they did. They did a lot of the [ __ ] that we did is OTK and a lot of the [ __ ] that we did is OTK. One of my favorite [ __ ] things, one of my favorite [ __ ] things is watching the younger streamers have the same [ __ ] dramas that we did. Like I love watching them walk into the same problems, have the same dramas, like girl issues, other [ __ ] Oh my god, I love it. It's so funny. It's like the same cycle every time, though. They all started as gameplay streamers. They start getting popular. They start doing IRLs, right? They start kind of becoming nuisance and stream. Start getting popular or start view botting. What's the difference? Yeah. I mean nowadays it it's crazy. Nobody Everybody's [ __ ] cheating. Everybody [ __ ] cheats. Everybody's viewing. They're on Twitter like botting. They're replying to each other. They're paying people to clip them. Oh my god. You've talked about the clipping thing a lot. I've seen I think clipping is the worst thing that has ever happened to streaming. it brings up the worst content. So you you can be, you know, popular as a clipping streamer and all your clips can go viral, but then when people come to your actual stream, you're not actually a good streamer. You're just a good clipper. Yeah. Uh so I think that brings up the worst kind of streamers. All the top streamers are just like not good streamers anymore. It's like McDonald's content, right? like you have like 30 second entertaining content out of like a 6-h hour stream and no I think you're right honestly and then especially when you're paying people to do it paying people to like react to it and [ __ ] like this like oh my god yeah when you're paying clippers to clip your content it it encourages the clippers to like bot their clips so you pay them more everything's just fake it's not organic back in the day you used to be able to look at the top 10 streamers click on any of them they're all good streamers nowadays you click the top 10 and you're [ __ ] board and you knew what people wanted. I think one of the weirdest things ever now when you try to assess the landscape, it's like, oh wow, like this random video game from 50 years ago is getting a lot of views right now, you can't actually tell what people want the same way when you were doing the Pokémon Go [ __ ] You knew like it was obvious what people [ __ ] wanted. Well, cuz everybody was talking about it, too. That's the thing is that like now on the internet, so much of the attention for something is like completely astroturf. Like I don't know if you ever have you ever read the comments on any of these clipping accounts? They're like, "Oh nah, w for real." And it's like, "This is a [ __ ] bot." Like, you're just botting. You're botting comments. You're botting likes. You're botting your stream. You're paying somebody to promote your botted stream. Holy [ __ ] man. It's crazy. I I don't know if I should talk about this. Yeah. So when I was gone for three years from streaming, right, I obviously was going to work, right? Mhm. I ran like four of the clipping companies. The problem. I Yeah, but I I'm going to be real. So I know a lot about how it works. I know every single person who's doing it. I know how much they're paying. I know who they're paying. Um, the very weird thing about it is when you start to look at what actually translate into real viewers and you also start to see the pallet change, right? Because now the people that are seeing all the stuff on social media, what they expect from a stream, which is kind of what you were getting at, it's not real. So, it's kind of killing the streaming industry and it's kind of killing what people want from streams now. Well, I I also think that um clip viewers don't even translate to live viewers at all. Like Tik Tok viewers. Yeah, they don't translate. It's pointless. I think I think the only person who's translated Tik Tok that I can think of is like Queso and maybe Jinxy, right? Yeah. You have a few people like if you just do gaming content, I think it's fine. But whenever you're doing IRL content, like I feel like the nuisance streaming content cuz like back in the day, like I felt like that was kind of what people were doing. But like now I remember like I remember seeing a [ __ ] clip and it's like it's like an ice wall in Antarctica and I hear your [ __ ] voice. I'm like wait what the [ __ ] is this? Wait, is that the Kanye thing? No, no, I was uh in super down south near Antarctica. The [ __ ] What was So So you went to what? Antarctica. Well, I went near Antarctica in Patagonia. Why? For content, you know. What the [ __ ] And then Elon Musk tweeted it out and that was super cool. You did? Oh my god, I didn't even know that. I I've always wondered this about you, right? I feel like you have so many of these ideas where it's like, "Okay, I'm going to go to this random country and I'm going to like eat like some weird [ __ ] food, do some weird [ __ ] thing." How quick's the turnaround? Like, do you see it and then like you're there within like 2 or 3 days? Are you actually planning? No. Yeah, I just go. I mean, if I just told myself, I want to go to Antarctica, so I just flew like the next the next couple days. I just fly over there. It's always seemed like that, but I've never known if there was like, okay, is there something going on behind the scenes? No, no, I don't plan anything, dude. Okay, just show up. So, I we we were talking before you got here, like a little bit, and there's this weird thing, and I've never seen anyone else like this besides you where there's like a bajillion people around you that claim to be the innovator of like so many great ideas. And when you try to parse through it, it's like, well, who among these people have actually set up any of these ideas? How much of it is just Ice coming up with everything? like who who is running the show with you? I mean, it depends on the context, but for the most part, I just come up with an idea and I just go do it. When people trying to take How can people try and take the ideas that I had that I came up with when I don't even plan? I just go and do it. How? You don't even have time to do it. You know what I'm saying though, right? How many people have you seen kind of come in and be like, "Oh, yeah, that was RV stream. That was my idea." Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, no doubt. I think that definitely Well, it's because you did a lot of the early stuff and because you did so many of those like early streams, everybody is going to grade everybody else's stream in the future based off of that original stream. And I think that there was like a degree of like uh grittiness to it and authenticity that people had. And like now it's like people script events. They pay police officers to come in there and you know pretend like arrest them and [ __ ] It's like, oh my god, guys. Like, what are you doing? I was getting arrested for real. I remember the airplane. Do you think you're ever gonna get unbanned from Twitch? Uh, no. I don't think so. I just from like a liability perspective or because they [ __ ] hate you. No, I just they [ __ ] hate me. I think I think there is uh some higherups maybe that don't work there anymore that really hated me and the higherups that work there now were the underdogs of the people that hated me. So, they're just going to follow that tradition. I know one person who hated you, who worked there, who I know is gone. And but I don't know why they hated him, too. That's not a surprise. I remember I followed uh the old CEO on Twitch uh on Twitter and within 5 minutes, he blocked me. What the [ __ ] Yeah, literally. I I don't know what the [ __ ] wrong with him. Wait, what's his name? I was Is that it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. I forgot. Like I don't even know what he did or anything. like he never said anything about Twitch. It was like he wasn't even there and it was always Dan Clansancy. What do you think about Dan Clansancy? I mean, I've never met him, but he's uh he's he seems kind of like weird, but uh I mean I have no opinion cuz I've never met the dude. So, okay. I was curious, but like would you ever Okay, so like if you ever got unbanned on Twitch, would you multiream on there or would you just say [ __ ] it and stay on kick? I would do one stream on Twitch and then just push everybody to kick. Yeah, there's no point to multiream. I'm just gonna lose a bunch of money if I do Yeah, I I probably should. How many years is it? Because it was the airplane thing that got you. It was Well, that was just the excuse. That was the That was the straw that broke the camel's back. That I I think it was the excuse. They hated me way before that. you know, my community was just like totally opposite to what Twitch really wanted, you know, because we were, you know, kind of wild and Twitch doesn't want a wild community out there. I mean, nowadays there's much worse communities on Twitch in my opinion, but I'm still, you know, that hated guy by all the staff. Do you think you [ __ ] up with the airport thing, though? Or do you think that it was I mean, in hindsight, sure. But you have to the best idea. Sure. You have to understand this is back at a time where I've never been swatted before. I didn't really think about it. This isn't Oh, you hadn't been swatted. I've never been swatted before. This This is not a thing that was happening. That was like the first person. Oh, that's crazy. So, for me, in hindsight, yeah, it was stupid, but in that moment, I didn't think anything bad could happen because that was the first time it happened. See, see, and this is the thing, and this is kind of going back to what Zach's saying, how it was like the first and stuff. I genuinely I'm not trying to just glaze you here. A lot of it was re it really felt special like it felt important. It it was it was such a crazy vibe around but because of that my memor is bad about so many of these things because they're they're kind of legends at this point. So my memory of the airplane thing is you saying I'm at terminal 53A. I'm getting on this plane and there's not nothing you can can do about it. You guys can't do anything about this. And actually what happened? I mean, I didn't say that. I I said, I was reading chat and then they were like, "Oh, you shouldn't say your terminal." I'm like, "Ah, what's the worst that could happen?" But, you know, it sounds stupid. But, in hindsight, I truly believed what was the worst that could happen. I didn't know I was going to get [ __ ] swatted on an airplane. [ __ ] ridiculous. How many times do you think you've been swatted? Uh, well, after I got banned for getting swatted, they swatted me every day for a year after that. Yeah. Because they were trying to get me banned on other places as well. So, did like scare the [ __ ] out of you ever? Yeah. I mean, having guns pointed at me doing streams is never a fun Never fun. Like, you were one of the first people that moved off platform to stream and live stream on another platform, too, because like I remember you went from Twitch to YouTube and you were streaming on YouTube, you had a lot of viewers. Like, what was that like? Because like now I feel like it's very normalized. You had [ __ ] Mixer and now you have Kick and Rumble and Odyssey and everything else, but back then I feel like [ __ ] nobody was doing that. Didn't Didn't he stream on all of those platforms, too? You did mix it, too, right? Yeah. I mean, it was uh really scary. You know, basically, you're isolated away from everyone else. You don't have any other community. You don't have the Twitch community. You only have your own community and you have to really build your community up to be strong or you're [ __ ] The purple army. So, I was really uh afraid but I made it work. What like what was the thought process of going so open door and like like did it gradually happen? Were you just enjoying it and like you felt comfortable with your community or were you just like this is going to be this? No, I had to I did what I had to do. The only way to to differentiate my content from everything on Twitch is to be extremely transparent, open door, be like, "Okay, the viewers have really 100% insight into my life." That was the only thing I could do in order to maintain the viewership because um if I set boundaries, well, why would they come to YouTube to watch me over staying on Twitch? I just did what I thought I had to do. Yeah. because it, you know, I I look back and I think about you as like like the Pokemon Go [ __ ] I look back because that's actually when I started streaming and I hadn't even watched your stuff yet. And I was I was with Dylan Sprouse streaming Pokémon Go and I go I went back and I watched our stuff and it's just like, "Hello, how are you doing? We're just catching Pokemon." And then he's just like, "Yeah, dude. Put a camera on your [ __ ] head and all the chicks want to have sex with you." And it's like, dude, what the [ __ ] This guy's [ __ ] nuts. Nobody was doing that at the time. Like, were you ever uncomfortable or were you just like instantly there and you're just like that was your element? No, I mean uncomfortable. No. Uncomfortable for what? I mean, if I say something crazy to somebody, I'm never going to see them again. Who cares? [ __ ] them. You were kind of And I You got to be You got to be a little shameless to be a streamer, you know? Yeah. I'm not I'm not saying this with any disrespect, though. You were kind of the first nuisance streamer. I mean to define nuisance. Not like it is now. That's the thing. But they all all roads, dude. All roads. They are like you look at the new streamers and a lot of what they're doing like you did pave the road. I didn't I don't think I ever went out of my way to try and like harass the general public, but I went out of my way to make myself look stupid. Sure. That's so so so here I I agree with that and I do think that you know there there is a big difference but a lot of the times the content was going to be you interacting with other people right so I think like the second that you do that that's when you start getting close to nuisance content well the I think the difference is I try to make myself the butt of the joke versus making this random person the butt of the joke who hasn't signed up for it what do you think about those [ __ ] retards that do that [ __ ] now. Like shooting arrows, flaming arrows at people. Like I think you saw that, right? The [ __ ] Oh, the fireworks [ __ ] hitting that girl in the eye. Holy [ __ ] Like, what do you think is going to happen? Like, what do you think about how much IRL streaming has kind of just I guess escalated? I mean, I think people are going to be very off-put by IRL streamers. Yeah. You see an IRL streamer, you're going to be like, "Uh, don't let them around." I Yeah. I mean, especially when they're [ __ ] annoying, too. Well, yeah. There there's some that are Nowadays, all the IRL streamers are [ __ ] annoying. They have to be. They try. Well, the thing is like, you are annoying on accident. They're annoying on purpose. I think that's the difference. I think they're just not funny. Exactly. I think I'm funny, so I think I can be funny without being super annoying to the general public. Yeah, these new streamers don't know how to be funny, so they're just annoying. Well, cuz you were doing So, you were doing OSRS for a long time. That's whenever I started watching you. And then I remember the first IRL stream is that you dressed up in like a chef's outfit in your [ __ ] house and you were like tossing [ __ ] up in the air. Do you remember that? Okay. So, I'm not remember Okay, I'm actually remembering how this is. So, like I feel like whenever you start off as like a game play, whenever you're effectively using the game as like a radio show almost, it's like you have to learn how to be continuously entertaining. Whereas, like whenever you don't have to do that, you're an IRL streamer. You're focusing on clips. Well, you just have to think of one funny thing to do every 30 minutes, right? I think that's a huge difference. Runescape was the perfect game to train myself for cuz that game is [ __ ] boring as [ __ ] The second best is World Warcraft. That's right. Yes. So, it's It's like literally the same thing, right? It's just background music. Yeah. You're just sitting around doing [ __ ] nothing, repeating the same exact task a thousand times. So, it's like if you're not entertaining and people can't listen to you on a regular basis, then it's like it doesn't work. So, it's like who were the old school Runescape streamers that like transitioned? Bodh, But I'm saying who like actually transitioned. I don't know any that transitioned out of Runescape. Was it? That's what I'm trying to figure. Was it just you or wait? Raj Patel. Oh [ __ ] It was you and Raj Patel. Oh [ __ ] I forgot about Raj. It's Raj, bro. It was Raj. We're using the dead name now. I mean, me and Raj Patel were probably the only two streamers that uh we transitioned because we didn't really play the game. It was just in the background. Yeah. Exactly. Everybody else played the game. You guys were the only two. And then for for WoW, I feel like a lot of people transitioned. I think that like, you know, you had Mitch, uh, Chance, [ __ ] Like, besides that, I feel like now there's a lot of people that have a hard time doing it. Do you think Chance really transitioned? Yeah, 100% he did. Like, I feel like he transitioned more than anybody else really. I would say transition fullon furry. Yeah. I mean, like, and the thing Well, the thing is like I mean, it's really hard going from like Was it hard going from like game content to IRL content? Cuz I remember back then like that [ __ ] was like people are kind of worried about that a lot. No, it was easy. It was actually easier to do IRL content than to stream Runescape. That way it's like, okay, well, I don't have to think about I have to do something or whatever. Yeah. I don't have to constantly do something every 5 seconds. IRL content. I can just make things happen. It's a lot easier. How were you actually do cuz like now it's so [ __ ] easy. Like you you just get get a server, you just use your [ __ ] phone. Back then when you were doing the Pokemon Go stuff, you what would have had to have at least two sort like like two points going to the ingest, right? No, I just uh had a laptop with OBS and I just had a webcam and a and a microphone headset and I just walked around with a laptop connected to a Wi-Fi box. Damn. That's so crazy that that worked as well as it did. No, it didn't. I mean, and when you look back at it, it didn't work that well. It was like 480p, lagged every 5 minutes. It looked like It's so funny cuz I remember it looking crispy as [ __ ] Well, that was back in the day when you had nothing else to refer it to. Yeah, it looked like now it's like what? You got a $28,000 backpack that everybody's using. Half the people have hired cameramans. You were the only person who had a cameraman back then though, too. Like that's a little bit later on. But I didn't have a cameraman. What? I'm not on your head, right? I had No, no, no. I'm saying after Pokémon Go. Um, still didn't really have a camera guy. Carried the camera myself. was that guy we hired. Well, I I would have a cameraman sometime for certain things. Like the boxing event horseshoe. Or Yeah. Something like that. For which one? Horseshoe Bay. Dude, I don't know that one. It's a crazy crazy deep lore. And uh did that miss a good one? Yeah. Well, I was hiding this girl that I was dating and then they found out. Whenever whenever you started talking about being authentic, that was the first thing I was thinking of because that was the one time your community got more m they got more mad at you for that than [ __ ] anything. I remember that [ __ ] was so I remember that now. Oh my god. Yeah. I mean, I shouldn't have hid my relationship in hindsight, but I felt really It was like, okay, I'm in a really toxic situation where I don't want to break up with this girl, but my viewers hate her so much. What am I supposed to do? Cuz when I when I tell them I'm dating her, it's toxic as [ __ ] Lose their minds. It's like, okay, do I choose the stream or choose the girl? I'm like, I'm just going to hide her and I'm just going to stream normally. It's both. exactly. But then it all blew up and it was bad. That was insane. And I remember like we we always talked about like because obviously, you know, like Jacob, you know, was is working with us now. And we found him and I remember like the main reason why we're like, "Oh, Jacob has to be good." is because IP2 the the subreddit, you remember, everybody remembers that [ __ ] subreddit hated everybody except Jacob. And I was like, "What the fuck?" And that was apparently a good decision. It was well the thing that Jacob had uh that was useful for him. He was never on camera so they could never hate him. Yeah, of course. What what works, right? dude. I mean, when you actually look at Jacob the amount of events that he's worked on that people probably don't even know he's worked on. He's lowkey probably the if if you count all his work, like the most viewed man on Twitch. It's probably not a lie, but it's a lot. It's crazy. The whole [ __ ] Every single person has probably watched at least one Jacob event. And I I just want to take a second here to give a big shout out to the sponsor of the show. It's none other than Poly Market. I mean, look at the two of us. It's surprising that anybody would take a chance on us, but Poly Market for some reason decided to make their own prediction market for us and I think that it's turned out pretty well. I think I think we're great. I think that we've proven that we're great. We really are. Absolutely. Look at that. And if you want to have a great time, you can use our link down below and use the code allcraft for a free $20. You can start predicting right now. We do it throughout the entirety of the show. I do it all the time. Like I will look up stuff just so I can figure out like, well, what are people thinking? Do people really think this is going to happen? And I'll look up the dumbest things and sometimes they'll have like, you know, a 10% chance or something like this. It's like I Jesus coming back. Aliens being proven real. Yeah. Aliens. Exactly. Like Yeah. No. And I use it honestly I use it as a like an indicator of like what do people really think about things? Because you know why listen to what people are going to say? You know what what why listen to what people say they should bet on whenever you can just listen to what they're actually betting on, you know? Yeah. No, I 100% agree with that. Please use the code down below and we're gonna keep going with the show. There it is. Do you still play OSRS? Yeah, I do some AFK on my phone. Really? Holy [ __ ] Well, like so do you have like all the skills that maxed out now? I mean, you No, I uh my account sucks ass. What the [ __ ] But you play It's the same account, dude. You guys have so much in common. You both play a shitload of the games and you still suck at games. I don't play WoW at all anymore. Okay. Well, I just do I do like AFK like content. I don't I don't grind. You have to grind like hundreds of hours to progress. I'm not doing that. You're just done with that? I'm just doing the easiest content. Do you play the leagues? No. Okay. They're cool as [ __ ] Do you play any other games? Do Do you actually play video games or do you Yeah, I like video games. Okay. What do you play? I play Well, I I uh I like trophy hunting on PlayStation. Okay. So, right now I'm trying to platinum No Man's Sky. Is it That's probably really hard, right? just takes a long time. Oh, that's probably pretty hard. Okay. Are you playing it on VR? I've played it on VR, though. Dude, that [ __ ] is That is the only game I've ever played on VR where I was like, "Okay, this deserves to be on VR." Like, it's cool as [ __ ] Usually VR is like kind of [ __ ] but I like that [ __ ] a lot. Did you play Elden Ring? I've played it. Okay. Did you beat Elden Ring? No, I I got bored of it. Oh, [ __ ] I've been watching him play Elden Ring for [ __ ] weeks now and he's finally come up with a really good build and now he thinks that he owns the entire [ __ ] game. So yeah, I I I was just curious, right? Because after all this What did I message you last night? He You said I am a god. Messaged me. I am a god. So yeah, there it is. He's been streaming us the entire time. To be fair, yeah, I did a full stream. Uhhuh. Didn't die a single [ __ ] time. One-shotted every single on top of the world. Yeah. It's the best stream of my life. I'm thinking about just never streaming again. Elder Ring is just like an MMO, but it's there's no other players. Yeah, the best part. It's boring. It's in my I [ __ ] love it. Like it's so good. Like I actually I don't know what happened, but like a switch in my brain flipped where like I just can't [ __ ] play any sort of um you know like multiplayer game anymore. I don't know why. Just like cuz back in the day like that's all I would play. It's the schedule, bro. It's It's like having to play around other people's because the thing is like deal with it. How do I know that I'm going to be in the mood to do a raid? On a Tuesday at 8:00 p.m. in I'm going to be [ __ ] busy. I mean, I guess if you're playing with friends, I play MMOs. I'll just do the raid finder. Oh, yeah. Or whatever. And some other [ __ ] Yeah. Matchmaking or whatever. The the [ __ ] [ __ ] slot variant where you just get all gear for free. Bro, it pisses me off. World of Warcraft needs to have just one difficulty for every raid. Did you ever play WoW? I played uh WoW classic. Okay. Okay. So a little bit like actual classic or No, no, like when it got re-released. Okay. Okay. I played it for a couple days. That's it. I mean, I thought it was pretty boring. What level did you get to? I don't know. Like the couple just a few levels. This kind of doesn't this feel like you're talking to like a cool like fight against guy who's like little I play I play a lot of Final Fantasy 14 sometimes. Wait, really? Yeah. So when I go to WoW Classic after that, it's like, okay, this is way more boring. Final Fantasy. You must be a huge fan of me then. Oh, wow. Yeah, but I I'm a level I'm level 90 in Final Fantasy. You You beat the whole MSQ. Uh yeah, and uh I'm a summoner. Oh, dude, I played summoner. how many uh did you do any ultimates? Uh what do you mean? The the ultimate raids. I have no idea. I just do the party finder raids. I don't know. I I legit there's these things called ultimate raids in the game and there's this one that at the time that I did it was the hardest one and I locked myself in Miskiff's closet and wouldn't leave his closet until I beat it and it took me a month. I lived in that closet. I remember that. It was [ __ ] disgusting. I went in there. I walked by it. It smelled terrible. It was because Andre uh Andrea Bes th on day like 14 threw a pumpkin in the room as a joke. And I couldn't clean it out because I had to stay in the closet. So, the pumpkin just like the all of the pumpkin goop just like decayed. What the [ __ ] Like I'm going to be honest like some streamer houses like I I can't believe people still do streamer houses. Like I feel like I mean I get it like back in the day, but like now why the [ __ ] would you want to do that? Poor baby. Free content. Well, I mean, but they just they get people go to the house, they get swatted, there's like drama constantly, and it's like I guess I guess maybe people like I mean, hot take. It's very easy to not get swatted. I think swatting's like kind of done. The last time I got swatted was almost eight years ago now. Well, the new phase, the core, I mean, they got swatted like 30 minutes into their thing. I think I think it's because they kind of want to get swatted. Really? It's very easy to not get swatted. You just got to tell the police this is our address. Hey, surprise. Yeah. Didn't uh didn't they stage like a whole swatting thing once? I thought that was I I thought it was Aiden Ross. People People accused Aiden Ross of doing. Yeah, I could be wrong. I don't accuse the core guys of what they didn't do. But look, we're not on the punching down podcast right now, right? Um but I mean, you don't have to fake swatting. You just have to not tell the police where you live now and it's going to happen. I thought that there was like one of them that was like a bit. I thought that Adapt did a bit. Maybe it was like a meme or something like that. Yeah. I'm not But you never know with clip farming. Like that that is the issue. I'm not sitting there watching their [ __ ] streams. The only the only uh Adapt is in the core guys, right? Yeah. I The only time that I've watched his stream was when he was in Africa with Maya, which was awesome. That was crazy. It was really cool. Like I do I do feel like IRL streaming it's like whenever it's not nuisance streaming can actually be like super super entertaining and like really interesting, but like now I just feel like the concept of it is like generally going to a place and then being [ __ ] annoying. Like that's literally it and then farming reactions. And then I feel like the people that do that, they always have to up the ante. It's like, okay, well, if you get in an argument with a customer, you know, 10 times, now I have to get in a fight with a customer to get the same viewership. And like, then I have to get arrested. And it's like, oh my [ __ ] god. It's a suicide far. It's just clip farming. Yeah. I mean, it's if you are actually a funny IRL streamer, It's in order to be funny, it's more of like a long-term kind of content. Uh, you can't clip that. You know what I mean? So, you get the reaction farming. Yeah. that that's like um Andy Milanakis for example. Like Andy the way that he streamed compared to other streamers. Andy was actually like setting [ __ ] up and you'd watch him do stuff and it was like damn that was actually funny but he's not just farming pogs and farming like [ __ ] like that doing like a oneliner. Yeah. Yeah. Andy's I I think Andy's actually of all the people I worked with one of the best people like just as a human being. You you streamed with him a lot, right? Yeah. I love Andy. He's funny. He's like actually funny though. Like he he's not like streamer funny. He's actually funny. I remember one time we were in uh I hope I don't butcher this cuz he'll actually kill me, but we were in Italy. We were doing an IRL in Italy. It was me, Andy, and Seir. And uh we got a shitload of callers and he went like full like he went CX as [ __ ] bro. And I'm like I'm like, "Yo, just uh ignore the call." And we got in a fight about it. Offstream Andy and I had a conversation. This is when I had the most respect for Andy ever. I've never met another streamer like this. He literally broke down every single thing that he felt in the moment. Asked me how I felt and we were done arguing. It was completely over. It felt really good. I was like, "Oh my god, like he's so mature." He had like a couple. The next day, 15 hate threads on LSF. Andy and Rich [ __ ] hate each other. They they [ __ ] and and and we literally both saw them and the rest of the Italy trip we were just like [ __ ] it, dude. Let's farm the [ __ ] out of it. We just make more getting in fake fights and I just I I have so much respect for him after that. Um I feel like he's like the most mature person to do IRL stream. Well, yeah. I mean, well, he was one of the first people doing it, right? I remember whenever you were doing it, it was Andy and like who else was Is there anybody else that's still around that was doing it then? Like Jake and Bake maybe, too? Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. So, I mean, I don't know. Maybe he don't even give a [ __ ] I mean, Jake I've never watched a Jake and Bake stream. Yeah. Okay. Jake Jacob's still doing it. He just did China with Assad not that long ago. I think he's back in China now. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. I just like I feel like streaming has changed so much in like the last 10 years. How much do you think it's like just different? Like how do you feel about like the new streamers nowadays? I think I think they're all pretty terrible. Really? I think they're I think a lot of them are very boring. One-dimensional just clip farming. There's no they don't know how to build a community. It's all just very superficial. I feel like also like one of the worst things that happened was like during COVID streaming like 2xed like everybody was getting like instead of 20,000 viewers they were getting 40,000 viewers or like instead of five they were getting 10. And there were tons of people that like they just got exponentially more popular and then they were like, "Well, now this person's like a celebrity almost." And I feel like it really made streaming weird at that time cuz like I think that's the point where people cared a lot more about like their image and like public perception. They're all gay and [ __ ] now. Like it's so [ __ ] stupid. Like that's what I mean. I will say well they think they're celebrities. Exactly. Yes. But because they've been losers their whole [ __ ] life. Like the the thing is is like I will say there is that moment when all of the sudden and I'm sure you've had this like multiple times cuz I feel like you have you have had high highs and low lows like more than anyone else. You know that moment when you catch fire again and you go, "Wow, I got at least two weeks of content." And you like the It's not the view count's not the thing that feels really good. It's when you look at the chat and you're like, "This is a real thing." Yeah. There are real people that care about what I'm doing right now and I care about what I'm doing right now. I look at the new streamers and I don't feel like that happens the same way. But I'm not they don't have a community. It's it's very superficial. The viewership is very superficial and they're they're just moving from one drama. Some of these graphs where it just Yeah. This they start at like 22,000 viewers. I mean, those are view bots. They go live. Like, it's just it's so [ __ ] obvious. It's like, how do how does anybody see this and they're like buying into it and what's crazy to me about it is that companies sponsor them. They're sp So, like, you're getting finessed. You're getting wins by this guy that's viewing. He's got like a thousand people at most watching him and you're paying him crazy amounts of [ __ ] money. But but so fundamentally I hear I hear Nick say this [ __ ] all the time. He does. But the person who's getting rinsed is not the person who's paying for it. The the thing the I think they kind of are. No, no, no. Hear me out. That's not how sponsorships really work. You're talking about like the second degree. Simmer down, Goam. Okay. Basically, what's going on here is you have a middle level employee who's paying for the All they care about is the numbers. Oh, yeah. Yes. So, so the person who actually signed the contract, yes, they're benefiting from it as well. Twitch is benefiting from it as well. And the people that are actually getting hurt from it the most, the company that paid for it. But, and guess what? They have a shitload of [ __ ] slush funds that need to be spent for their marketing anyway. Oh, [ __ ] I dude they're [ __ ] scammers. [ __ ] scammers. I'm not saying that they're not, but the thing is is somebody needs to care. Nobody cares. And so I don't think it's going to change. I think that they're never going to crack down on view botting. I don't think it's ever going to happen. I mean, there's no incentive to crack down on it. The only people that have an incentive to crack down on it is Kick, right? Like Kick has an incentive. What's the incentive? Because they don't want to pay people out uh KPPP. So that's true. So they're actually losing the money. But what it goes back to what you said earlier about this the slush funds money has to be spent anyways, right? Yeah. But I think that I I'm going to be real with kick. I feel like there's a much easier way to use that slush fund. I I don't know how kick works. So, this is me assuming something. I've never actually talked to really anyone at kick besides like a few people on a very low level. You would rather just put that money probably to stake. I I would imagine, right? Like that's what that's what's making you money. So, I I think that that's the difference, right? I I don't know though. They could be like way more How do you feel about kick now? Like I love kick. You do? Okay, there you go. I mean, they let uh I mean, they let me do whatever and whatever the [ __ ] No, no one's getting banned. No problems, no [ __ ] or anything like that. Yeah, I guess that's probably really nice, especially after Twitch. The thing with Twitch is even when I when I was on Twitch, they always tried to get me to act a certain way, and I didn't like that. I didn't I don't I don't like how a platform tries to change your behavior. How did they do that? Well, they would just try to influence me. Hey, maybe don't do these certain things. Don't say these certain things. You know, like they would call you. Yeah, they would like my partner manager would be like, "Hey, don't do this certain things." You know, it's going to look weird. Like optics, like all the It's like just let me do my thing. Like I I know what I'm doing. I'm not a you know, a [ __ ] I'm not going to go and make the, you know, like they were just so worried about the platform looking bad that they just were so hands-on. How often were they calling you? All the time. See, really all they all the time. They were like, "Oh, fuck." You know what was probably going like I think I did a homeless stream in San Francisco one time on Twitch and they were like, "Yeah, like you can do the homeless stream. Just like don't don't be too homeless though. It's going to look like it's going to be offensive." And it's like, what's the [ __ ] point? The homeless stream. Yeah. What do you mean? Like don't be too homeless. Was this before they got acquired by Amazon? Do you think that they were after? Oh, it was after. because I was like maybe they were nervous about getting acquired or like you know but a kick you know the difference on kick is uh you know this the kick staff they don't they're not hands-on they're like okay we trust you we know you're not going to make the platform look bad you do your thing and I don't feel like they're trying to get me to push agendas and like do weird do you think you ever have made the platform look bad on kick no you don't think so I don't think he has yeah because like I mean that's the thing it's really [ __ ] hard to do that right I mean Like maybe Sam Pepper when he shot the [ __ ] bottle rocket into the 7-year-old girl's eye in India. I think that kind of made Kick look bad. Other than that, yeah, I I mean it's not that bad. Do you think that you make Twitch look bad? So they have changed their approach. They never tell me anything. They never tell me what to do. They barely even communicate with me. I don't have any sort of interaction with them at all. Well, they fired all the partner managers, too, right? It's just I think I'm pretty sure that the only one left that I think there's I don't want to name him, I guess, but I'm pretty sure there's He quit today, apparently. He left the company today if you're thinking of the same person. Yes. Well, can I say his name then? Did Pluto quit? That's what I heard. Yeah, let me let me double check and see. But yeah, I remember cuz So, yeah. Is he was he the only person you knew on Twitch? Well, no, I think he was the only partner manager left. Oh, really? But but the thing is is like it's so funny cuz like Pluto announced he's leaving Twitch. That's crazy. Pluto, they manipulated every single one of us with Pluto because all everybody liked Pluto. Everybody had like a good relationship with Pluto and then they would just like they would roll him out every single [ __ ] time. It It's literally like Blizzard using Chris Metson like willing him out on stage and be like, "Oh [ __ ] we not we need to get the dogs in line." And Pluto be like, "Hey, do you want to go to an escape room with me? Want to drink a beer, guys?" It's like ah. And then and then you liked Pluto, so you would listen to Pluto. If he's gone, they're [ __ ] Well, I had another partner manager. Like, who did you have back then? Do you remember their name? Pluto. You had Pluto. There it is. I had a different partner manager, too. I Yeah, my partner manager, it was really sad. The guy passed away and it was out of [ __ ] nowhere. He was so nice cuz I remember I got suspended one time. Basically, I I I made a joke and I was like, you know, people like from Hurricane Katrina were like displaced in my high school and they were really annoying. And I said, "The hurricane could have done a better job." And so they got mad about this. I got suspended for it. And so that happened and I immediately like start complaining about Twitch. I say I said nothing wrong. And I'm like acting like a victim obviously. So, the guy emails me and I talk to him at like 7:00 in the morning and it's like, you know, we're both up all night and I'm playing PUBG and then I become a partner, right? Like this guy Do do you do you remember the like the conversation we had? Which one? With for this? I think so. Well, oh yeah. Well, like my goal was like if I was partner, they would be less likely to ban me, right? But he didn't want to be partner. Yeah. it. So, we literally he was fighting to not be partner for the longest time. And then the day that you did it, I was hosting a World of Warcraft tournament. I was super [ __ ] excited to see what happened. And I and I remember it was like uh it it was like in that scene when they steal from the Kanza heist in Good Fellas. Jimmy, you got 10,000 subs in one day. Yeah, it was a lot. Which was like [ __ ] was crazy. First time ever. Why didn't you want to be partner? because I didn't want I didn't like the idea of like subs getting like thinking that they had like a certain like like that they were like better than non-subs. Like I just cuz like I agree with Yeah. I thought it was gay. Like I mean like that I agree like the community aspect like matters so much. Why didn't you just not care? That's exactly what I do now. Like I I have He literally tells people that if they if they gift a certain amount of subs, he's gonna he's going to block them. I'm just going to ban you. Yeah, I I don't give a [ __ ] because and then every time he says like six people gifts like 10 subs, bro. Not enough. I only had like 7,000 subs or 8,000 subs, which is like nothing compared to how many people watch. And the reason why I have no sub badge, no [ __ ] emotes, no benefits. I don't even I don't even read their [ __ ] name. I got rid of like Well, it's on another channel. So So nobody gives a [ __ ] It's actually funny. Nobody gives a [ __ ] about emotes anymore because of uh better Twitch TV. Yeah, there's that. And that's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I I think it's better for like community building. Well, I don't know if you saw this. This was actually crazy, man. Twitch did this thing not that long ago where they changed the Kappa globally on Twitch. Like one of the most iconic Twitch things. They sold it to Call of Duty and they made it a Call of Duty emote. People were [ __ ] pissed. It's Yeah, that's a slap in the face to the to the OG community, It really is. But I guess they're really desperate for money. Do you think that Twitch is going to be around in five or 10 years? No, I don't think so. I mean, they don't make any money. How can a company forever not make any money and stay around? So, here's what I'll say. Good question. We said that when we started OTK, the entire idea of OTK was to transition into YouTube. Mhm. We failed horribly at every single goal that we had, but that was the whole idea. And what we started that 5 years ago. Something like that. And we said that Twitch wasn't going to be around in 5 years 5 years ago. And it's still [ __ ] here. So, do you think that there's Yeah, but now there's competition. There is. I mean, kick I feel like has more longevity than Twitch does. I have a feeling that gambling isn't going to fall out of style. Gambling's not going to fall out of style. But I also think that the younger generation is more aligned with what kick represents. Kick represents than Twitch, you know? Like what does Twitch represent nowadays? When I think of Twitch, I think of the sun. Do does the younger generation really Yeah. drag queens and [ __ ] Like, does the younger generation really [ __ ] with that? I don't think so. Dude, the feeling you're you're so right. I think Twitch is a very millennial platform. I hate being a millennial. I really do. I I don't get like they're all like all the millennials. There's so many of them that are just like they're overweight. They have a bunch of mental disorders. They're collecting little useless pieces of [ __ ] Like what's wrong with us? Like how did this happen to our generation? Feel like Tax, bro. It's embarrassing. Like do you feel the same way about this? Like you see people that are around our age. I don't really leave my house much. Really? Okay. I mean, still like I'll look at on see on Twitter and it'll be some person and it's like Kathy age 33 and it's like, "Oh my god, how did this happen?" I think a lot of millennials are stuck to the like SJW kind of kind of like uh like vibe and they never grew out of it. And like that's how it's just a very fake sort of way to live. Can I tell you guys something really funny? So I I was not on the internet for three years. Good. the the real world is still fine. It mostly feels the same. Like if you do go outside and hang out with people, everything's still pretty good. No, you have a point though. In the real world, millennials are pretty normal. It's the internet millenn millennials that [ __ ] cuz they're [ __ ] losers. Like a lot of them are losers. They're so bad. Not all of them. You meet some cool people on the internet. Well, especially on Twitch, you got the Twitch millennials. That's like the distilled the real [ __ ] losers, right? It's like the uh you know making like the the deer the Twitch ambassador and [ __ ] like this. I'm like are you [ __ ] are you [ __ ] kidding me? Like what are you guys doing? How many drag events does TwitchCon really need? Like it's just weird. It is. It's weird. And I don't even hate any of that stuff. But it's like do we really have to make this the main content of the stream? Like I mean is this really the plat is this what you want to define the platform by? The thing was though that wasn't the overall identity of the platform. When somebody went and they engaged with stuff like that because it was genuine to them, that was cool, but it's not the identity of the platform. I I literally went with um with Wake and NMP to a drag uh brunch and it's my fa one of my favorite clips of all time. Somebody literally pulls down drag brunch. that sounds terrible. Wait, wait, but dude, it's so Do you know who Wake is? No. He's like one of the guys from like Cam Canoe. We were doing these workout streams and Nick kept telling me that we shouldn't go to this because there's going to be like a dick on stream. I get absolutely hammered. I'm not paying attention and somebody goes and pull like is pulling out their penis. Wake goes to get a drink of water and his muscle is like huge and he blocks this giant cop and Nick turns the camera around and I don't get banned. It was close to getting banned. I never did another one after that. I just But but the identity of Twitch, like he's so right. There used to be this feeling where you felt like you were actually a part of something. All of Twitch felt like a community. Like if Tyler one did something, everybody was talking about it and it was cool. You felt like you were part of a bigger thing. When TI happened, like there were people who didn't watch Dota that would still see like what was going on in Dota. Now it feels like I feel like a rat pushing a button on a Skinner box some days. The reason for that, in my opinion, is Twitch staff are out of touch completely. They're probably older people that have no idea about anything. Like, they're just so super out of touch. Do you think that when you're talking about Kick having an identity, do you think it's it's going to be a new identity? Do you think you the platform with the right content creators could feel like Twitch? I mean, Kick's identity is like the cooler version of Twitch. kick is Twitch with blackjack and hookers. I mean, I don't think it's that black and white. I think it's the cooler version. I mean, yeah, but I mean, you got to admit, I mean, the blackjack is pretty much locked in. The hooker's actually not so much. Like, I've noticed that there used to be so many girls on Twitch that were doing things like, you know, the the pool streams and everything. There's almost none of them. Women are gay now because of AI. I know. Yeah. It It's awful. Like cuz I I'll go and I'll look at just chatting and there used to be like dozens of girls that were like dancing and [ __ ] for money. Now there's like one maybe and that's it. Like they've pretty much it's twofold. So I actually cuz they can make all their [ __ ] money on only Only Fans. Sorry. Can I go take a piss? Go ahead. Sorry. I'll just I actually need to as well. Go ahead. I I really quick though before I forget this. You want to know what's crazy? If you are Jewish, if you if you are Jewish if you are Jewish, I will teach you how to be a Jew. What's step one? Step one? We'll go we we'll we'll we'll go take you to a Shabbat dinner. What the [ __ ] is that? We get a [ __ ] a group of Goyams. They turn off the lights for us. They turn them back on and we we we eat some hala. Is that them or what? Never mind. Like what's holla? No, we don't. No, no, WE DON'T EAT THE THAT WE WE ONLY DO that on Passover. Yeah. Okay, that's good. No, no, no. Don't Don't worry. I don't know, man. Like I I'll teach you how to be a Je if you are over 2% Jewish we will do an allcraftraft special where you get a bar mitzvah. I mean 2% is nothing. Yeah. He's definitely 2% Jewish. There's no way. No. Everybody's like 2% Jewish. No, dude. No, there's no way. Right. Christianity is a I'd say I'd say a lot of people probably have like four or five% Jewish man. Yeah. Like I'm like probably like 2% black. Oh man. Yeah. I'm 1% black. Yeah. Yeah. It's like really? Yeah. [ __ ] Okay, then I might have to do this. I don't know. I'm I think you're like I think you're like I think you're I mean when it comes to DNA when when it comes to DNA testing, you're probably like 1% black as well. Like this is nothing. Yeah. It's Yeah. It's just like I I'm going to be real, bro. I think you're at least 20% Jewish. 20% is a lot. Quinn is over 12% Jewish. Holy [ __ ] Really? Okay. Well, maybe. I don't [ __ ] know, man. What do you think you are? I don't know. [ __ ] German. They said German, Scottish, and Irish. That's what I was told. That's the least Jewish thing imaginable. I'm Yeah, I'm I'm Scottish, especially Germanish. But no, no. German is like There are a lot of German Jews. No, no, no. But like, think about it, dude. How hard is it if you don't look Jewish as a Jew? If you're in Germany, dude comes up with a funny mustache and he's like, "Are you Jewish?" No. Yeah. Okay, I guess that makes sense. So there's a lot there's a lot of people who are German Jews who wouldn't know that they have that ancestry because guess what? It's literally just like it's what book you write. It's like not that big of a deal. You though on the other hand, you are you are a sleeper cell sent by Msade. Like you are like I'm telling you, you control the media type [ __ ] Oh [ __ ] Okay. You are the bad You're the evil Jew. I I'm the one that they write the stuff about and like they make the the stereotypes about. No, you're the guy who writes the stereotypes that throw people off the trail. Oh, okay. Right. Of course. Then throw other people to the wolves, right? Yes. Of course. You're keeping us fighting. I don't Okay. Yeah. Sure. I I don't know. I mean, I feel like people have gone I'm going to be real. People have gone absolutely [ __ ] crazy. Like, ever since co, everybody is [ __ ] insane. Like, every conspiracy theory is real. every uh you know like crazy thing that people can imagine is true. Every ideology is more extreme. Holy [ __ ] It's just the internet, bro. Yeah. Go outside. I I'm going to be real. The only thing that I have seen people talking about in the real world about like that's like online culture is actually clvicular. Clvicular. All of my normie friends know about I mean I disagree. I think a lot of people in the real world nowadays have gotten stupider. Oh, they definitely You're definitely right. like nobody believes in the moon landing anymore. I think you're right, by the way, is that the reason why people don't want to believe in the moon landing is that it is one of the things that America did that destroyed Russia, bro. Like, we beat this [ __ ] They barely even got something into space. We're on the [ __ ] moon. And so, if they can make it up like we didn't even go to the moon, then this is like one of the times that we flexed on the entire world, right? We mogged Russia. Wait, so you don't landing? Of course we went to the [ __ ] moon. Duh. Yeah. Goddamn right. We went to the [ __ ] moon. We're going to go to the moon again. Didn't we just do it? No. No. We went around the moon. We go to the moon in 2028. Dude, there's so much human [ __ ] up there right now. It's crazy. I know. Would you go to space on stream? Would you want to? Yeah, I'd love to. I would go I would go with you in a heart. I'd go to the moon. I'd do whatever. I would go on a one-way trip to Mars. Shut the [ __ ] up. As long as I can stream and have internet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'd do that. I'm going to be real. I would, too. I I would die for that. That's a once in a life. I feel like it's it's only 8 years to get over to Mars. So, like as long as you have No, no, it's 9 months. Is it No, it's 9 months. Oh, that's nothing. Wait, that's nothing. Nine months. That's it. Yeah. 9 months. Yeah. It's just getting back is not happening. Wait, there's no getting back. Yeah, because you can't bring enough fuel. Yeah. So, you would need to be able to manufacture fuel on Mars to be able to get back. So, it's it's a one-way trip. Ah, [ __ ] Yeah. So, so it's like Why can't they do something else besides the fuel? Like, I don't I don't know. Like, I mean, you could technically No. No. I don't know. Yeah. I have no idea. Um, there's I mean, this is like they're trying to come up with a it's called a solar sail that basically creates thrust based off of the radiation. Yeah, they already tested that. It works. It It's just really slow. Well, that's my understanding. No, it's really fast, but it's really small. You can't put a human on it. It's tiny. My Cuz it has no mass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's basically it's like an atom of propulsion. So, it like that's what I was saying. It like it it would technically move a big ship, but it would be like it's a theoretical. Yeah. Be so slow, right? Well, it would move a big ship, but you would need a huge solar uh an array. Yeah. And it's just not plausible, you know. I think uh not yet. Nuclear propulsion is probably the most obvious route. I just I I want to see us go to I we need to build a moon base. We need to have like a Mars base. I feel like we need that like just to flex on everybody else. I mean, AI is so good now. you have like [ __ ] anybody over the age of 60 is just looking at AI and believing everything about it. Like I you know the push that they're they're trying to make now with um with cloud computing. Well, I've heard of this. But but no, the the push that's being made right now is instead of providing internet as a service. They want to provide all computing as a service and they want to have that centralized as and commoditized. So or commodified I guess it would be I don't know which one it is. uh but they want to make it a commodity. So essentially instead of paying a monthly subscription to Grock and paying for your internet and all that, you are paying for computing which means that you don't own a real computer. You're tapping into do that which means you're paying for you have no control over anything. You don't own anything. It's like the core boys everything. They're try that's that is like a big push that's going on right now. That's not going to work. That's not No one's going to be okay with that. I I hope not. But the thing is is what always causes evil like that to happen? Convenience. Fear. Convenience, too. Convenience is the most dangerous thing that humans will gravitate toward. I think that we have a couple more of those assassination attempts on Trump. Somebody gets popped off. That's high level in the government and before you know it, we have another Patriot Act. Everything is recording you. Everything is being sent through an AI filter. It's the new normal and it's a total surveillance state. Either way, we're going to lose all our [ __ ] sponsors. I think that the Trump Are they Are they real? Walking up to this building, I met somebody from Infowars and I'm going to probably go on the show literally 10 minutes before this show started. They just noticed me. What? What's Info Wars? Alex Jones. Oh, holy [ __ ] Yeah, this really [ __ ] random. Did you see the Pragmata game that you you said you play PlayStation games? Yeah. Okay. Do you see the game Pragmata? Oh, it was so good. Holy [ __ ] It was such It was so fun. You need to play this. Such a good It's such an in. So, basically, new Capcom IP. They haven't come out with a new IP in a little while. It's been a bit. Yeah. So, the idea to the game is you play like an older astronaut and there is a small child, a girl that is basically a sentient robot. robot and you kind of take on the father role with this robot and the game play is basically you have a gun and she's on your back hacking the robots and then you shoot them after she hacks them. It's pretty good gameplay loop. It sounds really stupid because it's basically you're solving captures while you're playing an FPS. It sounds like the most [ __ ] stupid, awful game that you can ever imagine, but it's actually very good. So this game is great. It's a great game. Meanwhile, you go on Twitter, everybody's making these weird pedto comparisons and all this other [ __ ] And it's like, holy [ __ ] Like, what is wrong with you? I feel like even thinking like, if you play that game and think about think about pedto [ __ ] like you're you're a ped it's girls doing this. It's absolute Floyd behavior. It is. They think it's pedo stuff because there's this a child a kid in which is it's weird. It's so weird when the whole like he and I both played the entire game. It has nothing. It's not even It's There's not even like 1% of There is nothing. It It's literally like a familial relationship. It's so wholesome. To be honest though, I think any kind of like outcries on Twitter or whatever, it's all fake. Anyways, all they do, and that's the thing is like so much of the like one thing that I think is really funny is like watching streamers, it's like, you know, Babby's first controversy. It's like you're watching somebody have like their first meltdown and they think, "Oh my god, my career is over." It's like, "No, these people don't even watch you. They just get mad recreationally." Like that's that's what I think too is like all of these people like I've had so many people get angry at me and it's meant absolutely nothing. It's never affected my viewership. It's never had people like maybe you know a hundred x extra people will dislike a video. Nobody cares. Who gives a [ __ ] Like two people in chat will come in and be like, "Well, why'd you say that?" And that's it. Nobody cares about this. I mean, look, dude. Did you see this [ __ ] with GameStop, by the way? Dude, apparently GameStop's trying to acquire eBay. I feel like eBay is like when I hear this. eBay is like this massive company and they're getting bought by G I thought GameStop like me trying to buy you. Yeah, exactly. I thought it was like Yeah, like GameStop is like a meme. I thought it was a meme stock. How are they buying other companies? I thought that that stock was less reliable than his coin. Hey, 30x, bro. Easy money, boys. Let's get it done. But yeah, no, it doesn't make sense to me, but it's only an offer, right? So, I know I'm on Poly Market right now. There's a whole prediction market as to whether or not this is actually going to go through. I Dude, it I think it should go through. I do. I think it should go through. Well, because I think it'll be funny. Okay. I see your blue. You're not necessarily saying that you would go on the side of it going through putting your money on the line. So, would I bet on it happening? Who the [ __ ] else is going to buy eBay? Yeah, sure. Why not? Okay, let's think about it, you know, like cuz GameStop is thinking about cuz like you have you guys been to a GameStop recently? Like I mean it there's like nothing at a GameStop. The only thing that's there is it's a bunch of toys and cartoons and like [ __ ] like this. Like it's not even any video games anymore. So like they they're basically getting into the business of selling [ __ ] That's what they're doing. They're selling [ __ ] Oh, so you think that they're going to take some of the stuff eBay and do like a and then they're going to do they're going to be selling tons of [ __ ] and other people's [ __ ] and people can sell their [ __ ] on eBay. I think I think that's what it's got to be, right? That's actually a good idea. It's It basically turns into a gaming focused commissary. Like I don't know. It's only 50k, man. Like I feel like you're saying the market cap is 50K. Yeah, it says 50k volume 53. Like that's nothing, man. I could easily see that happening. I could I think the 15 is too low. I do. Like I would expect it to be a lot higher than that. Do we know what the the offer was? Like how much money it was? I have no idea. Like I I feel like the moment that you figure out like uh you know any of this stuff and like if 15 like so if you if you put in like what is that like $10,000 you'd be gettingundred like there's no way right it's it's crazy amount eBay so just cuz I want to have this eBay's revenue stream is primarily they take a 15% service fee I think yeah it's probably just a service fee right yeah of course which I bet that probably is really profitable yeah I mean think about how much volume they do. And it's also it's a lot safer than something like And everybody knows eBay. Like everybody knows what eBay is. It's a household name for sure. More so than GameStop I feel like at this point. I feel like Yeah. Probably like nobody goes to GameStop anymore. Like who the [ __ ] goes to GameStop? When was the last time you went to a GameStop? Uh actually I went to a GameStop to buy a Switch 2 and there was I I had to I couldn't get in though cuz I went in LA. So, there's a guy right in front of the door like I was like trying to get around him, bro. It was a more sturdy foundation than the GameStop itself. But yeah, no, that was the last time I went in. I got the Switch 2 and I haven't used it a single time. Same. I would have been better then. I bought two or three video games on it. I haven't played. cuz they're all for girls. Yeah, I know. But you know what's not for girls? What? Code allcraft. Go on to Poly Market right now. You get $20 for free and it does a lot to support the show. Yep. Thank you very much, Poly Market, for for some reason supporting us. Yeah, that's great, right? Wow. Hey, I think we're doing all right. This guy, how many times did you have worldending things that Well, everybody else acted like it was world ending and you're still [ __ ] here like a couple times. It only matters if you make your own viewers hate you. That's exactly right. Yeah. If you if you do that and make people hate you and make them mad at you that actually watch you. I think it's actually if you make other people hate you that are not your viewers. I think it actually makes your your bond with your viewers better cuz it's like, yeah, [ __ ] those people. We're on your side. Executed ones were like, yeah, we're we're we're being attacked or something Yeah. I feel like that's probably the case. Like to me, yeah. I mean, like I I have gotten like I mean I Oh my god. Like there's been so many [ __ ] things. Like every single week there'll be like some massive hate thread about me doing something that like I didn't even like I didn't even some of these cases I didn't even [ __ ] do. And it's like people just get mad for nothing. But it's so funny. But it doesn't matter. Don't It's so funny though cuz the [ __ ] that people attach themselves with you cuz I my normie friends will message me stuff good and means they're watching. Yeah. Well, the thing is they're not. Like that's the thing. And they're not going to. That's the funny. So like the beef jerky thing from last week, which which Zach talked about his diet last week. The dude eats like his body weight and beef jerky every day and drinks soda. You eat beef jerky a lot, right? I do. You drink soda a lot? I don't. No. Why not? Because uh it's not good for you. Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, like, gollab. Oh, come on. You're going to be getting hemorrhoids, dude. [ __ ] No, I'm not. I've I Who are you going to trust about whether or not you're going to get hemorrhoids? the guy the guy who knows nothing about it or the guy who's sitting there with a hemorrhoid. I have a hemorrhoid right now. Yeah, it sucks. You drink that soda, you're gonna be getting some. I don't dude I don't like my mentality fiber you have in your diet. This is the most [ __ ] thing that I believe. If I can't imagine something happening, it can't happen. I don't even want to begin to understand the concept of diabetes. I don't even want to know or understand what like what a hemorrhoid is. Like I don't like the moment that you start thinking about it, then you visualize it, then you manifest it, then you have a [ __ ] hemorrhoid. I lowkey think that that is what most people feel and that's how you end up on my 400 lb life. That's 600. 400's not that big of a deal. Well, I don't think you're going to get diabetes. Yeah. You don't think that he's going to get diabetes? No, I think diabetes is genetic. you can definitely like it just depends on how sensitive you are to insulin. You make your stats uh go up though, right? Like I definitely think you're genetically predisposed. But if you eat Well, everybody was talking about So I I had my blood pressure taken and it said I was 193, which is, you know, this is very high. And uh then they took it again and now it's 120. So, like all I had to do, what did I really change? Not a lot. But you said that that was five years I did. Well, no, I I had it checked like literally because they they put in new teeth. I got new teeth. Okay. Okay. So, it's like you're good now. Like this week I had it checked and like another time the week before that it was checked again. But like all I did is I started thinking to myself, I don't have high blood pressure anymore. I stopped thinking about it. No, that's not And yeah, I exercised a little bit more. I mean, I never woke up and was like, "Yeah, hemorrhoids." I never It just happened, dude. No, I I feel like Yeah. I I I'm thinking to myself like, "Okay, well, I'm just not going to think about having high blood pressure or anything else." You are essentially blaming him for me. Actually, you know what? I'm not saying you. I'm talking about myself. Let me tell you actually what's going to happen because I had your mentality. I I felt I felt like there was something in my [ __ ] that was not right. But I just never believed it, never cared about it. And what ended up happening was Oh god. Oh god. It was a hemorrhoid that became prolapsed. Oh god. Jesus Christ. So when you ignore it, it gets worse until you can't ignore it anymore. Oh my god. I just Do you eat any fiber? What? Yeah. See, that's what I'm saying. He is going to get What is fiber? What? What? What? What? Broccoli? No. Like kale? Spinach. Anything green, count it out. What else besides that? That's where the fruit. be some fruit. Okay. What about these? You know what? You should Do you like blueberries? You should eat blueberries. I like blueberry muffins. God damn, bro. I do. They're great. I And I like You know what I'm trying to do that? This is a little bit of a This is definitely a move, especially after the conversation we just had. He doesn't spend any of his money. I'm trying I brought it up on the last episode. I got a Dude, a lot of people are messaging me saying that they would go. I'm trying to build when he dies. Hopefully, it's not soon. The Asminold pyramid. I'm trying to build a full ass [ __ ] pyramid. We get a full tour in there. Hologram the whole nine yards, bro. Like uh like where his body is like like a real pyramid. And then there's just like a hologram like [ __ ] There it is, dude. Oh my [ __ ] god. Wow, dude. Welcome to the [ __ ] pyramid, dude. Wow. Jesus Christ. I don't know if I Yeah. I [ __ ] What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? What the [ __ ] are you thinking? No. Well, how how am I going to make money when you die? That's a good point. Yeah, you're right. It can stream on my channel. you can do like an AI stream. Like, have you seen these AI girls on Instagram? Holy [ __ ] Yeah, exactly. It's [ __ ] nuts. Like, I see some of these and it's like, it's so good. Like, people are now using these AI chicks and they're actually making money on Only Fans. There's guys writing them love letters and they're not even [ __ ] real. I love this. I think it's amazing. I think the world has gone absolutely crazy and it's just getting worse every single day and I just hope I can monetize it or take advantage of it somehow. I think that's all there is. I think it's going to get really good soon and then it's going to like we're we're right now we're about to hit Wrath of the Lich King. And it's going to be incredible. Where do you see the world in a 100 years? hundred years like the the social I think that part of the cabal by then you know I think that our existence is going to be completely digital I think that we are going to have a totally digitized existence and a lifestyle and it's going to be controlled partly by corporations and partly by governments and there's going to be an intermingling of the two where they're seen as two branches of government where people are basically working in in order to either pay off things inside of that world or to enjoy certain privileges that that world has effectively paywalled like Ready Player One. I I've never watched it, but like I've just I've just in I've just been [ __ ] thinking about you're going to get uploaded into digital surfom. I don't think you're going to get uploaded. I think you're going to want to get upvoted because and in the outside world because this is what's happening is that you have even now think about how many jobs there are to where people all they do is they just help somebody else that makes more money than them, right? There's like assistance like Door Dash, Uber, [ __ ] like this. And so there are all these like pseudo servant jobs now. And I think that what that's caused is it's going to create an entire underclass of people and we're going to be right back to what you're saying, feudalism. I actually think the virtual thing that you said probably likely because uh everything's going to be robotics and AI. What you don't need to hire people to work at McDonald's. Robot will do it. You go in the virtual world. So I I actually the uploading thing brings up a lot of weird issues, right? because then at that point there is no means of monetization because there's no means of production once it becomes fully digital. I actually think the other part is more likely. I think that poor people there there there will be the class of poor people will continue to grow like poor people and that will be the entertainment. Well, they can either be batteries or slaves. And but even the type of battery that they are won't appear as insidious as it actually is. Like when you see a free-to-play game and a whale comes through, the whale is subsidizing all of the entertainment, but the poor people are basically their entertainment. Yeah. They're like the plankton. And I think we're going that in that direction. I think we should bring back the gladiator. I'm gonna be honest. Like I actually think we should do that. Like we need to bring that back. We need to bring back like a lot of the old like I mean, you know, like crucifixions. I think we should do that. You think we should bring back crucifix? Yes, of course. Like some dude there's some [ __ ] random idiot that killed some girl and she's like nine or something like that. I mean, if we can't nail him up to a cross, what the [ __ ] I I will here here's the only issue with public execution. I do think public executions in theory are not only fine, I think they're a good thing. I agree. The only issue is when justice fails and they have the wrong person. Well, you're not going to win them all. I think that's a that's an okay sacrifice. Yeah, that that is the that is where I start to go because like how many people are wrongfully jailed and then end up getting released and go on to live relatively decent lives. Um and substantially less now that we have DNA. I I do I think that things have gotten a lot better. I think that the further along the technology progresses and the more access that the government actually has to like dude they know where we're at like times they know what you're doing people aren't really getting away with crimes like they like they were able like you can't have a serial killer in 2026 the same way I think there's I mean you could a very techy one dude I actually you know what's crazy I this was like years ago I was like lowkey the perfect crime is to have a pre like have a stream that you basically recorded and it goes live and it's interacting with people in chat, but it's just like pre-recorded messages that are loaded up and it's all going off at the perfect time and then you go out with no technology and like you do that [ __ ] Somebody tried to do it and they got caught. They did because the guy's a [ __ ] idiot. Did you see that? Yeah. What a [ __ ] He wasn't I mean you could tell it was pre-recorded. Well, yeah, but then…

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