Linux’s Biggest Win Yet - WAN Show April 24, 2026

What's up? Welcome to the WAN show. Yo, got we got a great show lined up for you guys this week. That was my pathetic attempt at something we're going to show you a much better version of later on. We actually had one of our fellow tech creators do a rap about LTT store products, which is flipping amazing. We're going to be checking that out. So, speaking of LTT store products, SHIPTORM IS BACK. THAT'S RIGHT. Free shipping over $150 on the US store or $225 on the worldwide store. Free shipping for your entire order. No core, no code needed. Just load everything up into your C cart and you are good to go. Also, if you are a float plane supporter plus, you get even lower thresholds. $100 in the US and $175 Canadian on the global store. We've got also some sweet deals to help you reach these thresholds. We have a buy more, save more on blank TE's, uh, scribe driver pen and pencil for only $19.99. We've also got a free tech sack when you buy a commuter backpack. That's on the US site only. And a free tech sack when you buy an LTT OG backpack, US site only. Shiptorm runs from April 24th to May 7th. So don't wait for the storm to pass. Oh no. What else we got this week? We have actually have so many cool topics. Good news show. This is going to be the best Good news show yet because everything's freaking awesome. The EU requires phone makers to fit readily removable batteries for from from next year. Uh but there may be a notable exception. We'll see what that is. Also, YouTube opens up AI deep fake detection tool to all of Hollywood. I knew. Wait. Oh, that one. I thought you were going to pick the other one. I thought you were going to pick the like local Gemini one because that was more proof that Luke was right. Oh, yeah. That one's crazy. That one's crazy. Okay, we're just AI topics people. Yeah, we'll talk about that. It's pretty cool though. Yes. The show is brought to you today by Vessie along with Squarespace and Shocks and T with our rap partner Dbrand, our laptop partner Razer, and our chair partner Razer. All right, let's jump right into our headline topic, which is of course Oh, man. It wasn't even one of the ones we highlighted. There's so many good ones. Yeah, that's funny, isn't it? Framework CEO and absolute bro Narav Patel tweeted earlier this week that um is it? Hm. Oh, that top. Okay. Yeah, that topic. tweeted earlier this week that the Framework 13 Pro launch, investment disclosure, has been an overwhelming success. Nice. Batch 7, which is shipping in July, is sold out already. Wow. Yeah, people are really vibing with the better chassis, the new better touchscreen display that has just Did you watch the video? Yes, it looks great. Phenomenal. Phenomenal like direct sunlight performance. Do you guys just walk outside and test it? Was cool. I've never seen anything I have seen anything quite like it. I've seen those like retroreflective displays that are quite like it, but I've never seen one with a backlight that's quite like that. Very, very cool. Better battery life. Freaking Panther Lake. This thing is resonating with people. But that is not what I'm excited about right now. What I'm excited about right now is the fact that Narav posted that over 50% of their sales of the Framework 13 Pro are wait for it Ubuntu. Yeah. Not Windows. Now we have talked extensively on the WAN show about the year of the Linux desktop. We have even talked like like personally between you and me about a video that I was working on called the year of Windows humiliation. Yeah. Because even if it's not the year of the Linux desktop, I I think there's an argument to be made that it is the year of Windows humiliation. That video actually goes live sometime this weekend. And I had to go do a quick voice pickup when I saw this tweet and be like, I don't know, editor, put this somewhere, but like this is crazy. However, however, I hope it's just a screenshot of the tweet and you going and no no other context. I wish it was now. Sorry, keep going. Now, I completely wish it was. However, there is a bit of a catch. And Luke, do you want to be the one to give the bad news? Yeah. So, honestly, as as much as I would love this to be true, and you know, maybe it is. And you know, I I'm not saying it's not true. I do think that that many people are ordering Ubuntu configurations for these laptops and not Windows ones. I am not personally convinced that those people are going to keep Linux I'll say not even just Ubuntu but Linux on their laptops. I I suspect people are doing this so that they can not pay for Windows and then they can install Windows and then just through the command line tell it that it should totally just activate itself and then go on their merry way. Um dawning dawning the hat I possible. I don't think over 50% of framework sales are people who are going to long-term Linux. I think they should give it a shot because I've been doing that and it's actually been awesome. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Think about this. Think about this. The last thing you just said was what? It's been awesome. Okay. Okay. Now, now think back to the second last thing you said. Don't worry. I'm not going to go shot. Yeah. Okay. Okay. The third last thing. No. No. We're not going to go any further than that. Then you wouldn't have a shot. You'd have no chance. Neither would I. Do you think that there could be a significant number of people who order this machine? Oh, and just get a taste and they're just like, huh? You know what? The water's warm. Why were all those penguins in it? You know what I'm saying? Aren't they usually in cold water? Yeah, right. Not always, it turns out. I know. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm Which is great. which is great to know because then if you don't like the cold water that doesn't mean you can't join them. Yeah. Yeah. Just join the penguins. So I I mean I look I'm obviously like literally have a vested interest in in frameworks success. What I do not have a vested interest in is Yes. Thank you for that Luke. Uh what I do not have a vested interest in is like Linux's success. I got no I got no dog in that fight. Yeah. It doesn't benefit us. No. But what it does do is it's it's it's freaking it does. It's freaking exciting and that benefits me cuz the more people that use Linux ideally the better it'll get and then that benefits me. Okay. Yes. But not in like a not in a monetary way was sort of was sort of my No, I know. I know. That's why I said it didn't. Uh yeah, I honestly I I do suspect some people might try it and like it. I haven't used Ubuntu in uh I don't know genuinely like 15 20 years. So, I have no idea, but um I I I do suspect some people might actually Yeah, let me let me poke around with this thing. I've heard some people talking about it and then might actually stick with it, which would be really cool. Um I also would say that I think a dramatically higher percentage of these are real or at least people who are going to install a different dro but not Windows um compared to even this time last year. I just thought of something else. I think it's been a massive jump. I just thought of something else. Okay, hear me out. If you're techy enough to install your own operating system, Mhm. What are the odds that you're also techy enough to be by storage drive and probably save a buck on the thing? You hear? You see where I'm going with this, right? Cuz this is people who selected a storage drive. This is this is the right. it would have to be because it comes with an operating system and selected a pre-installed operating system. But if you're the kind of person that really was just going to rip Ubuntu off of it, put Windows on, pirate Windows, like you you you have the knowhow that don't tell me you don't know how to open up of all things a framework laptop and put an SSD in it. It's sort of the point. Don't even tell me that. I still don't fully believe the numbers, but that does, I think, up the percentage that it could be. I think we're going to get less than 100% of those Ubuntu people moving over to Windows. And it's just it's an exciting time to be interested in open- source software right now. It's an exciting time to be interested in alternatives to the the tech giants who Dude, did I tell talk to you already about the first time I fired my Windows laptop back up and it was like it it was like it didn't want me. It was like it didn't want me to come back. No. Did I have Did I not talk about this on W show? I don't think so. I put my Windows drive back in my uh PX13 uh that I've been using lately, my my Stricks Halo machine, and immediately it did it did the [ __ ] thing. Immediately it did the thing. It asked me, "Hey, it's been a while. Do you want Edge? Do you like One Drive? Have you ever thought about Xbox? off like I I I almost I was so The only reason it pushes you away. It like is literally repulsive. The only reason that I didn't swap the drives again are because this thing has like chassis intrusion detection that I can't figure out which one which screw is like the one that I have to tighten all the way to get it to even like turn back on. Like one of the screws like grounds a thing or something. Um, so I had already buttoned it completely back up and the the main reason that I had switched back over to Windows was because I wanted to try out that Logitech Super Strike mouse that I've been like supposed to try out for us to do the video not work on Linux. Uh, well the Logitech software I wanted to have the full suite of Logitech software if I'm evaluating a product. There is a a like third party standin Logitech software thing but yeah no that makes sense as a review. You should have the whole thing. Yeah, I should be I should be using it as the manufacturer intends. That makes sense. But if it wasn't for those two things, I I scouts honor. I would have put the other drive back in. I just it it was so offens It was offensive. It was like disrespectful. This is This is why I am I am using my computer right now and and move. I think the biggest thing for me is I feel like I've replaced the time that I spent on Windows being annoyed about that kind of stuff, learning more about my computer and doing cool things with my operating system, which is what I'd rather do. Anyways, I've had fun using an operating for the first time since probably Windows 9. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Windows 9 was pretty cool. And that's We're not memeing. We know there's no Windows 9. There was like a modded Windows 8.1 that had like the Croft stripped out of it and was like like super responsive that was nicknamed Windows 9. Yeah. And it's it you know it's not all perfect, but one thing that's been really awesome is every time I've ran into a problem, it is solvable. Every time. And it for me has never been a major issue. Like I replaced a drive and cuz my both my hard drives just worst timing in the freaking world. Both my hard drives I could hear timing so far. Yeah. I could hear that something was kind of off. They were like making more noise than normal. So I did a smart check and they both came up with like a pretty significant amount of bad sectors. And I was like, well, I tried to think back to like how old are these drives? I thought they were mine. When I finally pulled one out to actually replace it, I saw an inventory sticker on it. And when I saw the inventory sticker, I was like, "Oh, yeah. These are from uh Geodude V1." Okay. So, these are old. So, there was the Geodude and then there was Geodude Revision and then there was Bulbasaur. I might have personally put that inventory sticker on is what you're saying. Maybe. Yeah. Like these are old drives. So, I was like, "Oh, okay." And I I I looked up like the upload date for Geodude V1 and I was like, "Okay, it might be about time." Uh, so it's it's fine that they that they died. It's a huge deal, but like it it sucks because of the pricing. Uh, but yeah, I'm replacing those drives. And when I when I replaced it, uh, my my computer didn't want to boot. It booted into emergency mode, but I was like, "Okay, I know the series of events that just happened. I could reverse this, but instead I'm going to pull my laptop out and just look up like what could this mean? And I there was a very simple explanation of what to do. It did require a little bit of command line stuff, but I'm running CentOS. I expected this. That's fine. I'm looking into Oh, okay. What caused this? And it's just certain drives can be set up in a way where Sorry, did you say CentOS? Why did I say CentOS? Cashachio OS. Cool. Um, yeah. No, definitely not. You're talking about like an old How did that jump into my head? Lab machine. That's really weird. Anyway, anyways, my bad. Um, yeah, I was just like, "Oh, okay. I have to go into FSAB and just add no fail to the drive." And then it just booted perfectly. And I was like, "Oh, that's kind of neat." Now I like And then I sat there looking up like, "What are all the different flags for drives?" And then I'm just like learning stuff as I go on. Um, it's cool. Coming back to the topic we're supposed to be discussing. um our discussion question for the framework announcement this week cuz they also had their oculink connection for the back of the framework 16. Uh they also had their new keyboard which is a pretty exciting alternative to the K400. Um but our question is forget all the stuff that they just announced just now. If they were to make a net new product, what would you want them to make? Narav already talked about the potential. He talked about how they've looked at he didn't commit anything but he talked about how they've looked at printers. The printer one I see as a little less necessary. Brother does exist. They tend to be kind of bros overall for the most part. Printers are kind of fine there. They seem kind of fine and it doesn't look like there's a lot of as far as I can tell like margin in the printer business unless you're willing to fleece people on the ink. Yeah. So, I'm sure there's things they could do that could help the world in regards to like those massive office printer things, but like I think focusing on consumer would be a good idea. TVs is one that's really interesting to me, especially if they're doing their own panels. Uh, well, okay. I don't think they would do their own panel for a TV. Sorry, I don't mean uh I more mean that they might have the expertise to like know things about TVs and make a good TV. when they did their own panel for the laptop, I doubt it was as much that they built the internal expertise and more that they they were able to afford to get the glass cut in the shape they wanted. Okay, pretty much. Yeah, but even that is is a big it's a monetary investment. I doubt it was as much of a technical investment. Rest assured said monitor first. I actually don't agree. Oh, strong disagree. Monitors. Monitors. So, the reason Oh, okay. I should explain why monitor space is pretty good. Yeah, monitors, they don't have the same increation problem that TVs do. They're not forcing ads down your throat. I was chatting with Brad, who's the uh the short circuit channel manager now, and um he was saying that they they did a video on the LG G something. I think it was the G5 a little while ago. And like the first time setup process for it was like painful. like all the agreements that you're signing and like you finally get to the home screen and it's just freaking it's wallto-wall. It's just covered in ads. If someone were to tell you, "Okay, here's the framework TV. It's the same TV because at the end of the day, it's not like they're going to go and reinvent better quantum dots, you know? They're they're they're not going to they're not going to suddenly have the R&D muscle of someone like a like a Sony or a TCL or a Samsung. It's that's not that's not happening. That's not what we're talking about here. It's going to cost more. It'll cost more. But if it just got the out of your way, I'd pay I'd pay for it and looked like solid, like if it was a B+ in terms of the image quality and just when you turned it on, it did not take screenshots of the content you're watching and send it back to some server somewhere. it just opened up to whatever source input you sent to it and just worked. I think that had that would have an incredible value to people. I think it would I think we're reaching the breaking point. I I think you know how on a variety of things, you know, I've talked a lot about how people seem to have just kind of given up on on like the whole privacy ad invasiveness thing and how I think just the the horse has has bolted from the from the barn at this point. Maybe I'm getting hope again. Oh yeah, me too. Because I'm starting to see people mad again. I think it's because the alternatives are becoming a lot more viable. You think so? I think so. Personally, I think self-hosting certain apps is like dramatically better than it's ever been. Um I think I think having your own NAS for your family is as expensive as hardware is right now. It's getting trendy, dude. It's It's in a geeky way. It's getting trendy, but it's also getting trendy because it's pretty good. And like it's there is still upkeep time and you still have to do things for it. Um, but I think the upkeep and the things you have to do are kind of fun. Now, [ __ ] makes a really good point. People never gave up. They just never cared enough because convenience always wins. But that's the thing is the the encraptification is crossing that threshold where it's not convenient. Windows for me is less convenient than running Mint on my laptop. Windows gets in my way more, slows me down, and stops me from doing my job more than Mint does. So, like at this point in time, the convenient option is to run Linux. And that's not even a Linux nerd. I have never once opened the command line. I don't know why I looked down here. Uh my lap my laptop's not with me right now, but um I'm sorry to hear that. Um I have never once opened the command line on Mint on my laptop. I've never done anything fancy. All the software I've ever installed is just from the package manager which is effectively an app store on your phone. Like I I've done nothing special with that laptop and it is perfect. Like this is not uh this is not a a weird or special thing and I'm just genuinely more productive on it because it doesn't pester me about stuff. All right, let's pick another category. Sure. What would then What would you want to see them jump into? Sir, you're doing ship storm right now. What are you talking about? Oh, for Thank you. Thank you for your survey. Dan, I have no idea what's going on. Cool. Good chat, Luke. Then, uh, I'll I'll settle for talking to Luke. Good plan. What a what an appropriate response. I already think I have one in mind for me, but do you want me to go first then or do you want to go first just in case it's you know the best one and you uh think of it before I do? No, I I before you ever mentioned I mean I'm certain you already had the thought. But before you ever mentioned it really the TV thing I had already thought TV has been very frustrating for me for a long time. Well, you've had to shop for one, unfortunately. Rip Luke's TV a couple times recently. Yeah. And but even like someone will ask me for a recommendation, I'm just like gh like I don't feel good about any of the recommendations. Like, well, Samsung has these really great looking, you know, QD OLEDs. Um, too bad Tyson OS. Yep. LG has some pretty good-look W OLEDs. Too bad WebOS has taken a sharp right turn into Crapsville. Yeah. So, just none of it feels good. So, definitely TVs. Outside of that, I might need some thinking. All right, I'm going to I'm going to go with mine. I'm going to see if this kind of like I'm going to see if this kind of vibes with people, but I would actually love to see framework get into SBC's like single board computers. It's a it's a space where the the cost has crept up on people in a way that was never really the like the idea, you know, like the the kind of the Raspberry Pi contract. It wasn't the original sales pitch. The original sales pitch was these things are hyper affordable. They're bare bones. Um, and they've just kind of um they they've just kind of gotten bloated both in terms of the the feature set and in terms of price. And there are still like very basic ones, but it has felt like for some time that the availability of the ones that are like, you know, supposed to be affordable has been not great. And some of the alternatives are not necessarily getting the TLC in terms of of of compatibility that the the name brand, you know, Raspberry Pies have. I would be I'd be very interested in something like a framework Pi if they were able to work with their manufacturing partners that they obviously have for things like the um like the the laptop, right? They obviously can can make a circuit board, right? Uh, I'd be I'd be interested to see if they could if they could make if they could somehow bring their like upgradeable repable ethos to single board computers. And I I I don't know, maybe maybe it's not realistic and maybe it'd be a stupid business for them to go into because who wants an ASP of like $15 or 20 bucks or whatever, but it's somewhere that I I feel like potentially they could make they could make a difference. Speaking of uh stupid business for them to go into. Yeah. Um, with the EU's thing, which I don't think we've talked about it yet, but it's one of the topics on this show, I believe. Sometimes the WAN shows really blur into each other for me, but um, is uh, phones. The EU is pushing replaceable battery phones. Now could be the time. Framework has said publicly that they'll never do it. That's probably wise. And Fairphone already exists. Yeah. And I think, you know, for me, for Framework to have a reason to come in and like compete with Fairphone, take that tiny tiny market share of people who care more about like the sustainability and and repairability aspect than they do about like, you know, a phone being a more cohesive, high performance product. And then cut that down the middle. It would it feels like it would be a disservice to both of them to to to wedge themselves in there unless they were really bringing up like a powerful value to it. At this point people aren't just buying I I know this isn't what you were saying. I'm not saying oh so you hate hot dogs. I'm just talking. Uh but I I think at this point people are just buying some people are just buying frameworks cuz they're cool. Oh dude, frameworks are trendy. Yeah, they're like just kind of sweet. Seeing how excited people are to have no investment in cheer for this company has been very cool. And you know what? Speaking of speaking of cool, how much better is Narav on camera than he used? He's he's a lot better. I I was I was like this is improved quite very noticeable. I saw a couple comments about it too. He's like he used to be just awkward and now he's like kind of cool awkward like trendy awkward. I I I'm I'm sure it helps doing our videos, but I suspect in general he's just been doing a lot more of those types. Yeah. And he's Well, he has to talk to people. He's a CEO. He has to motivate. He has to like give speeches and stuff, I assume. Right. So, you just you you get practiced at public speaking. You don't really have a choice. But yeah, no, I thought uh I thought he did a great job in the video. Um why don't we do a great job of finding another awesome topic to talk about? There's so much this week. Yeah. Um this that was not shouted out. Maybe we should get through the ones we mentioned at the beginning. Um, Ashley Psych, I'm going to pull an audible and do the topic line I said that I should have brought up at the beginning. Uh, or that he expected I was going to bring up the Okay, let's do it. Gemini has escaped from the cloud. Uh, Sircale, I've never heard this verbally said, so I'm going to call it Sircale. Uh, Seroscale Cloud Services announced an an expanded partnership with Google Cloud on Wednesday that will allow them to offer the full Google Gemini model to be used completely offline on airgapped unfortunately Google certified hardware appliances built by Dell and featuring eight Nvidia GPUs. So, this isn't Hold on. Can we get a Can we get a Luke [ __ ] called it? Yeah. Can I get one of those, Dan? Can I Can I get one of those? This is Yeah, don't worry about it. This is probably the most like direct version of what I was talking about that has been announced so far cuz this is like an appliance that you buy that runs the the premium cloud only version of a model and locally for big businesses. This is that like, oh hey, there's going to be mainframes again type conversation that I had uh in in the past. I don't remember exactly how I worded it, but something like that. Um th this will back to the notes. This will allow sectors with serious privacy concerns, healthcare, government, defense, finance, etc., etc., etc., uh to avoid risking exposure of sensitive data on third party infrastructure. All the customers data, inputs, outputs, etc. It's it's secure because of this. uh updating your local Gemini will will require a private uh sorry a temporary private connection to Google servers or physically shipping your appliance to Google and being sent the new version. That's so this is for this is for big boys. But while this isn't, you know, quite the way that I think, you know, Luke would want to do it if he was rolling his own infra. Yeah. Not at all. What it is is a clear acknowledgement that the cloud it didn't fail, but it wasn't the perfect solution for everyone that it was hailed as. Well, and like whether or not you believe the stuff with mythos and whatnot going on right now. Um, I think honestly the various wars more than anything else have been showing us that just a lot of software is just pretty vulnerable the stuff if people are willing to spend the time and often the money to work hard enough to poke at it. And the more connected it is, the more places there are to poke at it. Yeah. So, if it can just be not connected, then there you go. Um, yeah, Google IP is protected by confidential computing protection, whatever the heck that is. And Serale CEO Dave Driggers explained that the Gemini model resides entirely in volatile memory. As soon as the power is off, the model is gone. If the system detects any form of tampering, it shuts itself down to wipe the model. That's in a weird way. That's kind of that sucks for me. It's like Dr. Dofen Schmmer's made it. It just It has to have a self-destruct button no matter No matter how superfluous it is. That's That's wild. I I don't mean cool in like a like That's great. But it's cool technology. Yeah, exactly. You got to you got to respect it. Yeah. Um I I guess you know with the description of the types of places that might get one of these. And assuming the cost considering it features eight Nvidia GPUs and all this other kind of stuff, um you got some backup power options. I think I think it's not a huge problem. Um JB leaves a note. It's not clear from the article, but I'm assuming model in this case might be um talking specifically about model weights. Otherwise, Google physically shipping you a new version doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I mean it literally did say or I was kind of wondering about that too, but it did say earlier like you would literally ship the unit back, didn't it? You could you could ship it back to get updates. You could ship the whole unit back. That's crazy. So, like they might be serious about that. I'm not sure. Uh, but yeah, wild. Kind of cool. I I I understand that like you can if you pay out the freaking nose, you can get a lot better like performing uh models online right now. But self-hosting models is really cool. And there's some really crazy stuff. There's a there's a MacOSS specific thing. This isn't in the notes, so I I'm not going to have details on it, but there's a Mac OS specific model of some kind, uh, whatever. I don't know. I don't remember the name of it, but it like basically lives on your cursor, your like mouse cursor. So, as you're going around and doing things, it'll have like the context of what you're looking at, and it runs locally, and it can try to help you with things. And somebody was talking about how they were learning how to use Da Vinci Resolve and as they were kind of poking around it would just like I haven't used it and I don't have notes on this so whatever. Uh I saw that via XDA. Yeah, maybe I can find it. XDA cursor cursor peep. Cursor peep. Is that what it's called? I don't know. That's what Hamnetics said. I I haven't heard of this so I'm It sounds a little creepy, not going to lie, but it runs locally. Theoretically it runs locally. Of course people not No. So, that's not the name of it, man. I can't remember the name of it. Um, yeah. Anyways, it sounded kind of neat. Uh, there's there's a and I and I'm fairly certain it it runs locally. Um, this my Google Fu is still strong. It's a relatively small model and it's running locally, but it's helpful theoretically. I mean, I haven't used it. This is the vibe I got from looking through the article. Very cool. But there's there's like there's cool stuff you can do with with local hosting. And honestly, for a lot of the use cases people have, you don't need the massive super powerful models. You can just run some stuff locally and it can still be helpful. In try it out. In other um sort of AI adjacent news, I don't know if this counts as good news except that it means that I was right, which I never mind. It's good for you. Elon Musk confirmed on Tesla's Q1 2026 earnings call what he had hedged about on a previous earning call in January 2025. Um he has confirmed now that every Tesla sold between 2019 and 2023 that had their hardware 3 hardware cannot achieve unsupervised full self-driving and never will. This time there was no hedging. This is a quote. Hardware 3 simply does not have the capability. This is not a quote. Owners would need both a new computer and new cameras if they were to upgrade to hardware 4. Uh, as recently, this is interesting. As recently as October 2025, Tesla's own CFO was still telling investors, "We have not completely given up on hardware 3." I'm going to go off notes for a little bit here. Um, duh. That was off notes. We just need to make sure. Do you remember me telling you? Nobody typed that. Do you remember me telling you a year ago that I got in that argument with that guy at at someone's birthday party where I was like, "Yeah, hey, I know you're like a finance bro or whatever and you're like really good at being a finance bro, but don't you think at some point the liability of selling millions of cars based on that they have a feature that they like completely [ __ ] don't have and will never ever have is going to be a problem that might affect the like finance bro care out sphere of finance. Uh I realize that everything I'm saying is very very complicated but like this computer no dewy thing you say doy maybe bad timy. Um what are they going to do about it? Do they say they haven't um we can hold on let me get back to the notes for a second here. The core problem is memory bandwidth. Hardware 3 has 1/8 of what hardware 4 offers. uh which Musk says makes it physically impossible to run the AI models needed for true autonomy. Many of these owners paid up to $15,000 for full self-driving based on the promise that it was just a software update away. Uh multiple class action lawsuits have already been filed. Now, I want to make something clear. I obviously seem a little, let's call it, validated right now. That's not because I'm rooting against autonomous vehicles. It's not because I'm even rooting against Tesla. It's because I like seeing liars get their comeuppants. And he was obviously lying. Hardware 3, I remember talking about this way back then. Hardware 3, even if it was years and years ahead of its competition, was a small chip compared to what other leaders in the space were building like Nvidia at the time. And they were like, not close. It just obviously was not powerful enough. Obviously. And there's no way that Tesla hasn't known this for years. Because if it was good enough to do full self-driving, do you really think that they would go to all the work to make a new chip? Why? That's not how the automotive industry works. when they have something that performs the function they want it to perform, they keep making the same one because that's way cheaper. Or they do what like a console manufacturer might do where midlife they will move it to a new process mode in order to take advantage of better power efficiency uh and better um better uh uh thermal management. They don't just build something that has eight times the memory bandwidth for fun. Um Musk says that Tesla will offer discounted tradeins towards hardware for cars or direct retrofits but admits the volume is so massive that service centers can't handle it. His solution is building microactories in major cities to run the upgrades like production lines though no timeline, no cost and no concrete details were given. Uh there's a Lionus note on this one. This is actually the second time he's admitted that hardware 3 is not going to be able to do it. The last time was a tweet though. Uh this time was in an earnings call where, you know, maybe it matters, but probably doesn't. It's It's been very remarkable for me to watch how many times obvious lies have been told in context where like legally you're not allowed to lie like that. Um and this company just has not been called on it. And I just I find the whole thing very very baffling. I often get asked, you know, why do you hate Elon? I don't hate Elon, but I don't respect people who don't respect me enough to look me in the eye and tell me the truth. If you can look me in the eye and lie to me over and over and over and over again, why should I respect you in return? You're just a liar. And to me, it's it's one of the worst things you can be to have no integrity and to just to just brazenly lie. I don't respect it. Do you think there's any room for him having hope that they could make it somehow wildly more efficient and adapted or something? So, here's my thing. Because why would he's going to have to announce it eventually. Why would he wait? He's I What's the benefit in doing it now instead of a few years ago? Um the benefit of doing it now is they've kind of pivoted to new shiny with Optimus, the robots and stuff. like it's it's about it's about managing the mood as much as it is about even more than it is about, you know, financial results or actual product development or or anything like that. It's it's about it's about keeping people chill with the vibe. Um, so this is this is right in the leadup to the SpaceX IPO, which is going to have him in the news for for positive reasons again. So, a quiet uh yeah, that's not going to work. But like we've got all these ideas for a plan. By the way, by the way, SpaceX SpaceX SpaceX um it's it's just it's part of the grift, right? It's part of the it's part of the game to to just kind of keep things going. And you know, as for do I think that there's a world where he really believed that it was one quarter away, well, I would it would have to be one of two things. Either he's a liar or he's stupid. And I don't know. I'll let him pick which one he wants to be because there's no way that someone with all the experience running tech companies that he has would have any way of thinking possibly like when it's so obvious to a you know pathetic YouTuber like me. There's no way that he didn't have people internally telling him, hey, this isn't going to happen. Um so he's either a liar or he's an idiot. And so I don't know. You guys can pick which one it is, but those are the only two options. If he actually believed that it was coming next quarter, then he's a fool. And if he didn't believe it, then he's clearly a liar. So those are those are our only two choices here. David needs to speak to me. Okay. Uh Luke, do you want to do you want to pick a topic? Probably something I can grab. David apologizes in advance. He doesn't mean it. Yeah. Uh, what should we talk about? Uh, I'm going to steal this topic. Uh, ex Xbox drops Game Pass prices as Call of Duty officially exits services day one launch uh, slate strategy. Now, this is a thing where it doesn't mean That was really fast. Um, it does. Are you back? Good. You're back for good. Yes. Okay, got it. Um, I didn't even have f time to finish crunching that chip outside of the microphone range. Um, no, I do actually have a quick update for you guys. David needed to cut down the length of the Shiptorm call out in our upcoming video that he was working on. So, in order to make up for it, it's going to be a shorter one. I need you guys to buy more stuff from Shiptorm on Wan Show. Dan can handle it. Okay, carry on. Uh, so we were talking about how Xbox uh drops its price as Call of Duty is exiting the day one launch strategy thing. So, Xbox has officially dropped the price of Game Pass Ultimate from $30 to $23 a month. That's actually huge. What the heck? Immediately with PC Game Pass also falling from 1650 to $14. Uh, but there's a big catch. New Call of Duty titles will no longer be uh launched day one on the service. Uh, instead they'll show up about a year later. That's kind of a yikes. During the following holiday season with the COD release schedule, that basically means it's not on there. You can play the single player, I guess. Or you can play like you can play COD with your friends or you can play like poor poor people COD and be ostracized. Like when you think about the social pressure of having like the one that everyone's playing, that's basically that's basically the divide that they're creating here. That's a really interesting line cuz like is it so they're saying $7 less per user is worth it if people are still going to buy full fat COD outside of that. Yeah. This this gives us insight that we would not have any other way of getting how much of the like the cost of game pass is just Call of Duty. Is that wild or what? Well, at least what they think it is. Yeah. At least at least what they're projecting. And it's not like they haven't had a Call of Duty launch on Game Pass. So, it's Yeah, it's got some pretty good information. I'm sure it's based on something. That's That's pretty crazy. And I I know uh the new Microsoft gaming CEO, Xbox CEO uh person said like, "Oh, Game Pass is too expensive." But I don't think this is just altruistic. I think it's going to be a business move. Um, yeah, she she's actually been seemingly doing some pretty based stuff so far. I like the moves she's at least saying that she's making so far. I know. I was I was pretty tentative on her because she came from AI background. Um, but yeah, the statements I've seen so far are good. The like we are Xbox, we should drop the whole Microsoft gaming thing. Was dope. Did you see the new Xbox logo? No, dude. It's badass. Yo, so the uh it's back. Yeah, the like this thing is gone good and this is back. That's so good. That's sick. So, I don't know. Keep making good moves and and maybe one singular thing out of Microsoft lately will be good. I'm I'm willing to be uh I'm willing to be open-minded on that, you know. Uh but yeah, I mean game game pass price drop is is sweet. Um the the new logo looks fantastic. Like the whole idea of really centralizing around Xbox instead of Microsoft gaming is is great. She made a statement. She made a statement about like, you know, games being human crafted, which I thought was pretty pretty chill. Cool. Sweet. Yep. Did you finish all of this reading through all of it? Oh, okay. Sorry. Carry on. Uh, this comes just days after the new Microsoft CEO, Ash Chararma, uh, leaked Asha, sorry, Asha Chararma leaked memo called Game Pass too expensive. The price hike to $30 only happened in October 2025, one month before Black Black Ops 7 launched. Okay, so it was raised for that. So, I just lowered it back down. That's fine. Um, for context, Bloomberg reports day one COD access cost Microsoft over $300 million in loss sales last year with Black Ops 7 launch sales down over 60% in some uh markets. Wild. Microsoft spent $69 billion dollars to buy Call of Duty, put it on Game Pass, hiked the price to cover it, and is now pulling it back out. Was the whole thing worth it? I mean, if they're I mean, it could be. Dude, we're at the point now where like the the the the billions of dollars for company acquisitions have gotten just crazy. Like, remember when Twitch sold for $1 billion and everyone went, "Whoa." Okay, like for context, Twitch, while not a money maker, is a strong brand with like strong recognizability for younger people with countless users. like it's it's a it's a hyper powerful social media video platform and it sold for a billion dollars and then it was just like what what what was it like 10 years later or whatever else that Twitter sold for 44 billion and you know I I just it's it's Yeah. Are you talking about this uh 1.75 trillion or whatever? Yeah. Okay. So, so SpaceX acquires Cursor for60 billion. They have they have the right to. They haven't actually done it yet, but Cursor has been like, "You can buy us for $60 billion." But are we just are we just reaching a point where these numbers are just kind of pure silliness with absolutely no attachment whatsoever to business reality or or is that or is that point well in the rearview mirror behind us? Like I just I think it's I think it's behind us to be completely honest. Like I I I would sell Linus Media Group for for $60 billion or I'd sell the right to acquire Linus Media Group for $60 billion. No problem. It's like what's what's I bet I'm more profitable than them. It's just as legitimately on paper as the uh the the memory purchases from Sam Alman. Amir in full chat said, "As a British Indian, I can confirm it's pronounced more like Asha." Sounds good. Um, was it worth it? Wild. I mean, technically they did get more than just Call of Duty. There was Candy Crush Saga, World of Warcraft, whatever stuff Blizzard is pissing away. Um, I've heard people are happy with the the new stuff. I I don't even remember what it's called. Latest candies. No, the WoW stuff. Oh, really? Uh, midnight. Midnight. Okay. Well, that's cool. Yeah. Oh, okay. Ollie cool says, "Yeah, new WoW good." Overwatch is apparently also like I think since they just gave up on the whole two stuff, it's been getting more traction again, which is interesting. Wow. Rob Phil says, "Starcraft tabletop game coming." What? Interesting. Please don't tell me it's just risk. You have my attention. You know, game inspired tabletop games have been doing pretty well lately. Actually, starcraftm.com. Maybe the page will load. About our Oh, I'm on it. My page loaded. Nice. Okay. What am I What am I What am I looking at here? What am I looking at? Tabletop miniatures game. So, is it Warhammer? These are very concept arty. 60 to 120 minutes. It's Warhammer. Oh, okay. I mean, sure. Oh, it sure is Warhammer. Oh, okay. So, they're just chasing that Warhammer money. it's cheaper than Warhammer. Apparently, them Warhammer gamers got them monies. All right. My god. I mean, they don't call it Warhammer 401k for a reason. That's pretty good. I've never heard that before. I haven't either. That is pretty good. That's good. That's good. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Are you going to load a price, please? I don't think it's going to happen. All right. Well, anyway, good luck with that, Blizzard. Yeah. Um, yeah, let's uh let let's do let's do a thing. Let's Uh where where do I find that? Oh. Uh, I already I already kind of did that though. I mean, sure. Let's remind the people that Shiptorm is live on ltstore.com. We are fighting back against shipping costs that are out of control thanks to rising fuel cost by giving you guys free shipping. If you're on the US store, any order over $150 qualifies for free shipping. And if you're on the worldwide store, any order over $225 Canadian qualifies for free shipping. No code required. Just load up your cart and you are good to go. The best part is if you are a float plane supporter plus, so that's over at lmg.gg/flatlane, you'll get an even lower threshold. So this is a perfect time to sign up for floatplane. Uh, all you have to do is sign up for, I believe it's the $13 a month tier, and that will push your minimums down to $100 US or $175 Canadian on the global site. To help you reach these thresholds, we've got some sweet deals for you. We have buy more, save more on blank TE's, uh, scribe driver pen and pencils for just 20 bucks, free techack if you buy a commuter or LT original backpack in the US, and it's running from April 24th to May 7th. So, don't wait for the storm to pass. Get in there now. Uh, what else am I supposed to be doing, Dan? Couple comms if you want. Oh, right. Okay. Right. And if you if you send uh if you place your order now, then it's a perfect time to uh send a comm a checkout message. We don't believe in sort of throwing money at your screen just, you know, in hopes that maybe your favorite streamer senpai will notice you. We think that it it's great for us to be able to interact with you guys, but we also want you to get quality merchandise in the mail. So, we created checkout messages, which are the best way to interact with the WAN show. All you got to do is head over to Luke's on it. Add uh some terrific quality merchandise to your cart. You went to ltlabs.com. Shameless plug. Shameless plug. Nice. Nice. New site, by the way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The new site is live. Now is a great time to go just like browse the site and check out all the cool stuff. The the team worked super hard on this. Um, by the way, by the way, the multi-pocket leggings, dude. Smash. Oh yeah. Do you remember me talking about like, hey, we really need this to be a success or like women's apparel might not be a thing, dude. But they're gone. Classic LT store fashion. Tried to get some for for friends and family. They're gone. So many sizes are sold out. So if you want to have a shot at them, now is a great time to go check it out. Anyway, I don't know. for a scribe driver in the cart. So, all you got to do is throw something in your cart and you will see the checkout message interface. You can leave a message that'll go to producer Dan who will reply to it or he will uh just pop it up like that one that's up at the top right now or he will curate it for me and Luke to respond to. By the way, there's a new dashboard where you can see your checkout messages. How do people access that? Uh where is it exactly? So just in case you missed the little, you know, the little popup like this. Um I think it's at the bottom here. There's a spot somewhere. Yeah. So if we go to my screen, check out message portal right here. Yeah. So if you're signed in, there you go. Nice. That is That is like the geekiest 1990s how many page visits my Geio City site has received thing that I have seen in forever. I actually kind of like it. Oh yeah, that's pretty cool. That's very cool. All right. Anyway, uh Dan, do you want to show us how it works by u curating a couple of checkout messages for us? Uh before hold on before you do that though, uh David Gochier's neighbor Joseph is apparently a huge LTT fan and it's his birthday this week. Oh, happy birthday, Joseph. Happy birthday, Joseph. David never asked for anything like that. So, when he was like, "Hey, it would mean a lot to me if you could shout out Joseph." I was like, "Yes, you know, sure thing, sir." All right, Dan. Hit me. Sure thing. Happy storm sale, DLL. Can you please tell the story of what happened to the Moto shirt? I was going to buy one as a gift for my employee. Only one. It's all that was deserving. No, I can't. Okay. Sorry. What What was the question? The Moto shirt is no longer on the site. Oh, yeah. Up next, I at some point I may or may not know what I may or may not be able to say about it, but it is not this day. How has the process for vetting sponsors evolved over time? any learnings you care to share? Yeah, actually I mean I think in the very early days we didn't really have a lot of choice. It was it was pretty much whoever was in my Rolodex from my time at NCIX and you know was willing to go to bat for me and and try to try to allocate some of the budget that at the time would have been predominantly allocated to like written media for this like new fangled YouTube sponsorships thing. Um it it's it's it's still wild to me how long the transition took and even now as has continued to take given how how data heavy uh video is and how sort of like obviously more trustworthy those metrics are compared to more traditional mediums like magazines like I've talked about this on the land show before but did you know that the way that magazines calculate how much you're paying for ads assumes that that magazine gets read cover to cover like like six times or something like that. Like at newspapers too, like they would calculate that every newspaper passed through multiple people's hands and that every person who looked at it looked at every single ad like like it's like it was crazy. Uh whereas with video, we had, you know, the world's biggest advertising company with the most sort of, as far as I could tell, trustworthy analytics saying, "Hey, you got this many views." and people just like they weren't into it. They weren't interested in it. So for a long time it was whoever would go to bat for me and and would you know get us the support to to to sponsor the videos. And then from there there was a a big transition to uh like radio advertisers were moving into podcasting and then from podcasting it's a pretty natural transition into like video podcasts and then from there a lot of those folks like the Squarespaces of the world uh the like Dollar Shave Clubs of the world made their way into into YouTube. Um, from there that model proved so successful for companies like Dollar Shave Club that uh in in growing their business that I think over time it just became sort of part of the playbook. And so nowadays um like I was I was at a conference recently for YouTubers and YouTube executives. It's it's over now so I can I can disclose that it existed. And uh one of the big things that that YouTube was talking about that other creators are talking about is like major major brand partnerships. You know, one talked about working with McDonald's um they showed this example of like a like a collaboration between State Farm and like a more athletic oriented YouTuber who tried to kick like a whole bunch of field goals or something like that. Um so nowadays you have kind of did a State Farm thing. So you got a ton of choice these days. And so back to your question about vetting, I guess what I'll say is in the early days we didn't really have to because it was all brands that we like already were intimately familiar with the product or the people and so we like we knew or later on it was super established brands who if they had a bunch of really awful skeletons in their closet they would uh it would have come up at some point in the podcasting world which is like kind of a more sort of professional old school media space. And then now that your inbox at any given time, if you're a a midsized or up creator, is just going to be full of sponsorship opportunities. It's a it's a ton of work. So, I got to give a ton of credit to both our business team and our uh our community. So, we actually uh I I think the team does a quite good job of just sort of doing background checks on sponsors that we work with. And I also think our community does a really good job of of highlighting things that arise with the brands that we're working with that don't align with our values and with our expectations which I think in turn elevates the perception of the brands that do meet the bar and that do work with you know Linus Media Group. So, um, you know, for us, our our brand selection really comes down to that they operate with integrity. Um, that they take care of our viewers. Like, if one of our viewers comes to us and basically goes like, "Yeah, this this brand screwed me over. Like, I got scammed. Um, and I have receipts, you know, that's something that we want to know." And we have feedback. We have a feedback forum for that at least techtips.com on the forum. Um, and that's that's a that's a huge part of it, just maintaining that that accountability and that integrity all the way uh all the way up and down. This is super off topic, but you were talking about Dollar Shave Club and I I realized that I haven't heard about them in freaking forever. So, I just looked it up and like they do still exist, but I was like genuinely somewhat surprised by that. I find it really interesting certain companies uh maybe even certain products I looked it up apparently uh Dollar Shave Club is under capital management now so like okay whatever. Um but certain companies they just sort of stop eventually. I find this especially in like you know like well they run out of VC capital snacks and certain like grocery stores. Yeah. Like just was like spending money like there was no tomorrow and then suddenly there was no tomorrow. Yeah. But but even like even like uh I Savage Jerky. Is that another example? No, I I'm I'm talking even big brand stuff. Oh, sure. I mean, like even even if you're like under the Coke umbrella or something. Oh my god. Madras not only still exist, but they have a Dave the Diver like what what what is this? Is it like an energy powder thing? That's hilarious. Squid flavor. Sure. Sure. Why not? Um, but there will be like some think of some like snack that would have been advertised on TV like crazy when we were kids and then you never hear about it on any form of advertisement ever in many years at the store. I literally haven't seen Dunkaroo. There was Dunkaroo ads like every channel. Dunkaroos get as much frosting as you. I'm sure they still exist. But like it's Yeah, they for sure. It's It's weird to me though that they'll just they'll just stop at some point. They will just completely turn off the the advertising pipeline. But this you can't call it a nostalgic snack and then shake the cookie like that. It was a foot. Gh. Terrible. Literally literally inedible. I don't know if I had dunkaroos, but yeah, there was ads for them everywhere and then they just stopped. There's there's a ton of things like that, too. When you walk through the grocery store, it's like almost a weird if you go through like mostly the boxed goods area, obviously. Um it's kind of a weird experience of like, oh yeah, I remember ads for that thing like 20 years ago. I've never heard of it ever since other than it just being on the shelf. Um, it's it's just interesting to me like how these if it's Coke, I kind of understand cuz you probably have an R&D group that's for just like all of your different product lines and you'll just release some stuff kind of whatever. But if you're a relatively smaller company what you just like fire everyone and stop, but you just keep making your product, I guess. I literally don't know. Apparently, there were lots of different shapes of dunk. Interesting. I'm I'm finding other shapes of donarus. Coke also has murder squads to help. Yeah. I'm not endorsing them. That's a whole separate thing. Yeah. To be clear, happened in a whole separate country. Completely out of your jurisdiction. So, what are you going to do about it? Throw it out of court. It's a wild story if you want to go down a rabbit hole. Yeah, it really it really is. Um, okay. Oh, speaking of uh, you know, brands sort of doing things that are not always totally predictable. Uh, or wait, are do you still owe us another com? Oh, no. We're moving into topics now. I mean, we could do another one. I would probably prefer that. We have quite a few. Okay. All right. Let's do one more. I am looking at possibly getting a new handheld. I know Lionus has a large variety of them. I have the OG Steam Deck. Is it worth it to upgrade to something different? Money is not in consideration. Oh, I mean, yeah, sure. If money is not in consideration, buy one of each. Okay. I know people don't hate it when they say that. People never really mean that money is not a consideration. Money is always a consideration. You could literally be shopping for a private jet and money would still be a consideration because there's there's degrees of copious amount of money. But okay, I'm going to I'm going to assume that what you meant is that you could fit into your budget any one handheld. And if that's the case, I got to tell you that I haven't yet seen my perfect Steam Deck upgrade. There are handhelds that are bigger. There are handhelds that are better. There are or faster rather. There are ones that are that have features that the Steam Deck doesn't have. Um, you know, like if you wanted an OLED screen, you could get this one. Or if you wanted Steam Deck Oled better compatibility. Uh, yeah, but they have a they have an original Steam Deck, though. Uh, if if you wanted more compatibility, there's ones that run Windows. If you wanted one with detachable like Joy-Con things that have like mice in them. Lenovo has one that does that. Like there's you name a gimmick, somebody has it. If you want one that has like erggo grips, there's the Xbox Ally Series X Ally thing. um you know some something like that, right? But Valve keeps saying, "Hey, we need like like next generation level hardware in order to rev the Steam Deck in order to do a Steam Deck 2." And Valve keeps holding off and I I kind of it's hard for me to disagree with them. Now, with that said, I do daily a more powerful handheld. I have an ROG Ally that's actually my daily driver, which is crazy because I actually have an Xbox ROG Alli X, whatever it's called thing in my house that I don't use because, and this is going to be crazy sounding, when I'm playing handheld, I actually prefer the flat deck compared to the like the like erggo grip thing. Or at least I don't prefer the grips enough to be worth how much extra space it takes up in my backpack. Do you think it's uh Okay, that's a pretty interesting argument. Do you think it's hand size? I think that's part of it, but I think it's also just like that the erggo grip thing is like perfect for playing like this. And I don't always play like this. Okay. Sometimes I'm lying on my tummy, sometimes I roll over onto my back and and the flat deck just works a little better for me. So that ally that I upgraded on short circuit with the JO upgraded battery and then the new back on it. So, it's a little bit heavier. Is is actually still my preferred handheld out of out of all of them. Even though it's like an like an older it's an older handheld, sir, but it checks out. You know, my f I I I never played it laying down looking up. Um, but my my favorite for ergonomics handheld, if you can even call it that, was that the the Wii U controller. I really liked the the like feel. That's one of the reasons why I was like a little frustrated with the Switch when it first came out was I was like, I get it. The Wii U controller is really bulky cuz it was set up for a home console, but the Switch like practically pocketable by comparison like but it just it didn't feel like my my hands were very cramped on the original Switch. I mean, my hands were cramped on the original Switch. Okay. Okay. With that said, there is there is a handheld that uh you know it is is next generation in terms of performance, but you would be spending Here, hold on. What is a Win Five go for right now? Here it is. gpdstore.net. Okay, nine reviews. Okay, people mostly are pretty into it. Okay, that's good to know. This guy's a little disappointed, but still gave it three stars. All right, what's a win five worth right now? two grand. That's not even the top configuration. That is the base configuration. One terabte of storage. That's actually the one that's the most painful to me. Like, okay, I want two terabytes of exc Sorry, excuse me. Another $400. Storage is so ridiculous right now. Um, that's rough. I want to go to a Ryzen Max 395. Oh. Oh, that'll be Sorry. That'll be $2,800, sir. Also, oh, okay. You also get I mean, honest. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, I would take I would certainly take the 64 gigs of RAM, 2 TB storage, and the better CPU over the uh 4 TB, 32, and then lower CPU because uh these ones, it's not just the CPU that's that's worse for this one. It's also the GPU. So, this is the more powerful GPU. So, yeah. Yeah, you're spending uh $2,800 US for a handheld and and it's barely handheld, dude. It has like this like battery pack thing that weighs a flipping ton that clips onto the back of it or how I usually ended up using it was with the weird tether. Yeah, the te especially the tether. If you're like commuting on a train or something with a lot of your time, which I suspect a lot of handheld bros are commuting on trains or buses or whatever, I could see that being fine to be honest. Yeah. So, here's the tether. It's it's pretty That's weirder than I expected to be. Because it's just the battery. It looks like it was for like a platform or something. Am I seeing that wrong in the picture? So, this is the clip interface here that sticks onto the battery interface that is on the back of this battery and is on the back of the machine and then it just like goes to an umbilical cord to the back of the thing. So, it can be like this or it can be like this. And so, yeah, is there something better than the Steam Deck? Like, yeah, there's lots of things that are better than the Steam Deck in some way, but there is, in my opinion, nothing that is better than the Steam Deck in every way. And that's that's tough. That makes it tough for me to recommend something. And it without like knowing you and knowing exactly what you're after. And I can see why it makes it tough for Valve to go, "Okay, here's Steam Deck 2." Yeah. and especially now amidst the apocalypse. Yeah, I don't blame Valve for waiting at all. I think it makes sense. I think it makes sense. I think my time I I'm like I've already kind of convinced myself I'm going to buy a Steam Deck 2 when they get announced like right off the hop. Um I I feel like it's too late to get one now. Yet out of all of them, that's the one that I want right now, if that makes sense. So I have I have my Switch 2. I'm just going to hang on to that. I was contemplating selling it, but no, I'm just going to hang on to that. And then uh when the when the Steam Deck 2 finally comes out, I'm assuming it's going to be another like two years. Um hopefully not much more than that. I think two years sounds about right. cuz by then we'll be like well into Steam Machine and Steam Frame life cycle. So, they'll have had some time because realistically, ain't no way that the Steam Machine, Steam Frame team is not pivoting to Steam Deck 2 once they're done. So, give them a year to get everything kind of going with those. And then there's no way that they don't get some resources for Steam Deck 2 and then make that happen. Oh, hi Josh posted, "Uh, do you play games that are too much for Steam Deck? It might still be worth it." That is a super interesting question that I've I've had some conversations with actually some people in the labs about of like that's a super fair point. If you want to play Batro, if it's a Battro machine anyways, do it then who cares? What does it matter? Um it could be a fun video for for you guys to make is like the Steam Deck however many years later. 95% No, not 95, but like 85% of my hours on my Ally or Steam Deck over the years are tape to tape. I al I also Yeah, I could have played that on anything. Yeah. Another angle, and this was not my idea. I don't remember who said it, but um maybe it was even you. I I have genuinely no memory of who said this, somehow get like the original or close to the original version of Steam OS on it and compare the performance then to now. I don't know if we benchmarked it at the time. I don't really think so. Uh there'd be someone might have there'd be so many variables. I think someone might have actually done this. Oh, maybe. I don't know. Um, wasn't it Nvidia only though? And like I think maybe you could like hack in Radeon support. I I I don't remember the details well enough. I'd have to they they should for the Steam Deck. For the Steam No, no. I'm talking original Steam OS. No, I'm not. Oh, you mean Steam OS 3, but like the first version of Steam OS 3? I meant Yeah, the first version for the Steam Deck. Got it. I thought you meant like I didn't say that. That's my bad. Sorry. the one from like 14 years ago no or 10 years ago. That would be a little I I more mean like what performance changes have hap like deep diving. What is it like to own a Steam Deck this many years in? I think would be kind of fun. So like how much performance gain have you had from updates or lack thereof? Who knows? Uh but I think it would be gain. Um how is your like hey let's look at like the the top 10 games that are compatible with Steam Deck in terms of players right now. How well is it performing um on the Steam Deck? Like, is this still a highly viable device for most people? Stuff like that. I think it'd be kind of fun, a little interesting. I I think it's a cool idea. We have so many video ideas on the doc. The issue is BIOS updates would be difficult to downgrade. Yeah, we'd have to try to find like an unboxed one or something. It wouldn't be an easy thing to do. Uh but it could be kind of fun. I feel like that's the kind of thing that Valve, if they weren't so flipping busy right now, might even be interested in helping us with. Like, hey, could you guys we just can we ship you a Steam Deck and can you please put it back in? Like, there's no way they don't have it somewhere. My my expectation is that there's actually been some pretty massive jumps in performance looking at like the things that have happened gaming ever since the original launch. So, that could be like honestly a really good thing for them to have. Something that'd be a good thing for us to have is a more coherent strategy for how we're transitioning to the WAN show channel. I think we may have to just pull the plug on streaming WN show to LTT because right now it's causing a lot of confusion for people. we go live and we have a separate VOD on the Linus Tech Tips channel and on the Wan Show channel. And I got to say, I'm actually surprised and impressed with how much of the community has flipped over to Wan Show channel. It's almost it's not quite 50/50, but it's like getting there a lot faster than I thought. So, W show Channel 5 uh views. That's views. Okay. The live one is the far left one. Yep. Okay. Yeah. So, I think we we might just have to like we might just have to do it sometime soon here. Um I didn't foresee this, but it totally makes sense. The second someone told me like, "Oh, there's there's two in my feed. This sucks." I was like, "Oh, right." Yeah. I'm I'm really sorry. We we do need to co stream for a little while. But guys, uh if you are watching on Linus Tech Tips channel right now, please sooner rather than later, get subscribed over on the WAN show. So go go go look for the channel. It used to be the LMG clips channel. We rebranded it. Go subscribe over on the WAN show. We got to get everybody moved over there sooner rather than later or you will not see WAN show anymore. And the reason for it is it's a business reason. Uh Luke and I are now 50% co-owners of the WAN show, which means it's got to get off of the LT channel in order to secure its long-term future. Thank you, Wan Show, for your service. Um, all right. Let's jump right into our next topic here, which is Oh, lord. Should we do it? Let's talk about it. AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 dual edition launch. If you were wondering how the chip performs, uh, it's virtually identical to a 9800 X3D or 9950 X3D in gaming. It got a four to 5% improvement in productivity workloads, like kind of creator focused stuff. And in some science workloads, it did even better than that. But for most people, it doesn't really make sense unless you see it as maybe kind of like a like a budget workstation CPU for folks who can't afford the a Thread Ripper um and also don't need the PCIe lanes and also don't need the, you know, insane memory bandwidth of Thread Ripper and don't need the upgrade path to many many many more cores. don't need, you know, registered dims. They just can use ECCU dims. There's a lot of compromises using it as a budget workstation. But there is an argument to be made there. Of course, with such a um sorry, excuse me, uh interesting launch. Naturally, the more um exciting component of it in the community has been the discourse around AMD's sampling strategy, which you can tell the CPU was not super interesting. Well, can you because some reviewers felt that they were uh left out. You know what? I'm just going to read the thing. Um, in our communications with AMD, we were told that they had limited units and wanted to focus on developers before sending units to reviewers. That seems to be that a message that did not quite line up with their strategy because some very gaming focused channels like hardware unboxed were provided with samples. This confusion has led some to assume that AMD was preferentially seeding to friendly reviewers or even blacklisting certain publications. Uh Tech PowerUp noted that even retail partners had received instructions specifically to not provide any units to publications for review. Um sourcing review units from retailers is a pretty common practice and has at times been approved by AMD uh in the past. Igor's lab criticized how this sort of selective sampling hurts consumers because they don't have access to the broad amount of data they usually would to make an informed decision. Um, one of our fellow channels in the industry released a video stating they believe they've been blacklisted by AMD. Uh, this came from GN who said AMD excluded us not only from sampling but from information about the announcement. Um they also noted that they have been moved to a third-party PR agency rather than communicating with AMD directly. So as for our side uh we also are communicating with AMD through a third party agency. The agency did get in touch uh and they did answer some technical questions before launch. They were not timely about it and they did not provide us with a chip. Um I have been I have in my notes how we got our chip. that apparently fell off the back of a truck just outside of Smash Champs, um our our affiliated badminton club. So, that's really fortunate actually. Um and in summary, no, AMD did not blacklist anybody because we didn't get a chip. Basically, this comes down to their sampling strategy was different for sampling strategy was some reason weird. What it looks like to me is regional. So outside of the North America region, YouTubers seem to have gotten samples and then within the North America region, it looks like they went for more written media for reasons that are AMDs and AMDs alone. I have not seen any evidence that AMD is selectively seeding to publications that are more likely to be favorable. Big company problems to you. Oh, 100%. So, so one region's office had a strategy and it didn't necessarily match other regions. That's what it kind of looks like to me because obviously we are not blacklisted by AMD. I mean, we partner with AMD on a very regular basis. They literally buy $5,000 tech upgrades for, you know, our employees homes. Like, we're we're in constant communication with AMD, but we were told, "Yeah, we're not we're not seating this CPU to you." Um, so I don't know, man. There other than just, hey, big companies do big company things sometimes, I don't think there's there's too much to read into this one. Seems like a weird move. I I'm not like crazy surprised just because I suspect they probably kind of knew how this news would go. Um, but in general, I would still, you know, I would still like to see all of the CPUs go to CPU reviewers. Yes. And I mean, but it's all, it's never even been a thing. Like, think back to like how Intel has done their seating for a lot of their like series launches where they sent like this chip and this chip and sometimes it really seems like like self-owning. Like remember when they launched Core Ultra on the desktop and they sent us like the the worst ones? I sure do. And we're just like, "Hey, do you want to sell these or not?" Because these ones are clearly the cool ones. And we literally can't put them on our benchmark charts because y'all didn't seed them to us. That was super weird. Like, man, I don't know, man. Big companies do big company like dumb stuff all the time. And um maybe I'm just Maybe I'm just used to it. Maybe it it's this this does seem like I don't know. X3D specifically. Has like a very alluring pull to the to the tech enthusiast crowd. I feel like not including it to video or written reviewers is a little bit odd. And again, I understand that this chip is also a little bit odd. So, like maybe it's fine, but just with the naming it. Yeah. If I was AMD, I'll be honest with you, knowing what I know about this chip, I might have seated it to like I might have just done it. Wendle and Feronics and then just like not bothered outside of that. Yeah, cuz I because I I I might be I might be interested in the perspective of someone who's, you know, more attuned to the to the the enterprise space and then someone who's like hyper attuned to like the Linux and and like scientific space and then realistically, yeah, it's X3D and you're going to you're going to you're going to throw that in the marketing because marketers got to market and they're going to want to sell it to gamers because that's how big company do things. But in terms of like caring about gaming outlets making a review of it, I'd probably have like zero zero cares. Yeah. I mean, based on the benchmarking that happened, it's like Yeah, I would probably agree with you if they knew what was going on there. Yeah. And I mean, obviously a company like AMD knows what their chip is before they release it, which actually I shouldn't even say. Sometimes you do. Sometimes you really do have brands tell you they're like, "Oh, hey, so do you love it?" and you're kind of like, "No, it's slow and expensive." And they're like, "What?" It's it's fascinating to me. That's just marketing PR teams being disconnected from technical. It's got to be that's usually the the understanding for me cuz like you remember the whole uh backplate thing. Was it gigabyte? I think it was gigabyte. Gigabyte with that GPU and the and the the board was like, "How could you?" And then the technical people were like, "Yeah, we knew." Yeah, we didn't tell them that. They just put that in the marketing. Yeah. When they had like some kind of misleading marketing on their product page. Yeah. They said their copper back plate cooled the GPU by 3°. And it turns out that just having no back plate also cooled it by 3°. It was just their old back plate warmed the card by 3° because it was so bad. Um, so it was it was Yeah. Anyways, whatever. You know what's not bad, though? LTT tools casually getting reviews on like PC Gamer. What the heck? This came out of nowhere for me. Right. PC Gamer. Do they have they reviewed any other tools? I don't know. LTD ratcheting screwdriver and precision pro multi-bit screwdriver review. Serious tools by Jacob Ridley published not on April 1st, but actually on April the 8th. So, this was pretty sweet. Yeah, this was a little while ago, but I just thought this was pretty cool. And it actually included an anecdote about an experience. I don't remember meeting Jacob, but uh apparently we've we've at least crossed paths at some point because um apparently this was this was his his expectation from me. I wasn't sure what to expect upon opening the YouTuber branded boxes. Having once upon a time been at the same booth at a show as Lionus, as he was loudly disagreeing with someone about quality control, I had a pretty good feeling about the quality of the screwdrivers before they arrived. That was a good assumption, too, as now they're in front of me. They feel sturdy and well put together. That's funny. That's pretty good. It was it's an interesting paragraph that really highlights I think why sometimes we do take what feels like a disproportionate amount of flak sometimes when we make a mistake because that's what we do is we we point out things that are not good enough and when our job is to point out things that are not good enough for a living then people expect us to do the same bloody thing internally and it's uh it's funny because sometimes it would be easy to think about something like that and go, you know, oh, that's that's too much pressure. I wouldn't want to work somewhere like that. But you know what's cool is I think our team actually embraces it in like a big way. Sorry, I'm not laughing at you. Um, yeah. No, I think so. I think they do. Sometimes our product development timelines are also really long, but this is probably part of why. Yeah, at least part of why. Oh, dude. Dude, dude, there's a product coming. The battery bank. Oh, okay. Say you you put it in a video. You don't have to be I tried the prototype. I have no idea what he's talking about. Yeah, you do. I do. It's the one. Really? Come on, man. I tried the prototype. It [ __ ] slaps, It's crazy. Oh, that one. You're that hyped about it, It's nuts. Hell yeah. I want to quadruple the order. Like, dude, that really, dude, I don't even know what the quantity was. I want That's really exciting for me. Just cuz I I I I feel like I can't spoil it, but there's there's Oh, we can't say it. It's for the same reasons that he's really excited. I'm really excited. Have Did you try it? Did you try it? No, I No, no. I'm talking to him. I I don't know what he thinks. No comment. No, but did you try it? I don't know if I have one or not. No, you don't have one. You might be thinking of something else. There's only one. So, nobody has one except someone then. No. Okay. Okay. No, don't worry. Forget forget about Dan. Forget about Dan.…

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