The Linux Challenge Is Going… - WAN Show February 27, 2026

What is up everybody and welcome to the WAN show. We have a terrific show for you guys today. The Linux challenge is not going well for me. I managed to run into it's hard to even it's hard to even quantify them at this point, but at least five things I've never seen before. And I swear I swear on What can I swear on? Tell me something to swear on. Uh the show. I swear on the WAN show. I guess do I put my right hand on it? I swear on the land show that I didn't do anything weird. I swear it I swear it's true. The one the bug you showed me before the show was wild. I uh that was fascinating. I swear I didn't DO ANYTHING. IN OTHER NEWS, Donut Labs claims to have made a solid state battery with the keyword being claims. Uh this rabbit hole goes pretty deep. solid rabbit hole that the state of it is uncertain and nebulous. What else we got this week? Paramount is set to take over Warner Bros. in a continued series of media consolidation, which like should probably concern everyone. Everybody. Uh, also Burger King is vying for the throne of politeness with AI in all of their employees ears all the time. Oh, it's more wired up to their mouths, which is weirder. Oh, wait, really? I might have misunderstood. I was thinking when you didn't freak out about that that you probably Yeah, that's a lot worse. The show is brought to you today by Vessie U Green app control and ground news alongside our rap partner Dbrand and our laptop partner Razer and our chair partner also Razer which it's not a different company. It's just it's just Razer. Be funny if it was it'd be funny if it was also Razer. just sponsored by both of them. Okay. What's going on? What do you want to do first? We have we have you talked publicly I don't think so about what Dro you're going to choose. I have not because I hadn't decided until Elijah and I shot the first episode of Linux Challenge 2026. Okay. And Elijah even did not know that I did not know which Linux DRO I was going to be using. He was like, "Okay, we're at the point in the video where the script just says Lionus decides on his dro." And I was like, "Well, yeah. Did you think did you did you think I was like faking reading these listicles just now and like talking to the AI about what I should use?" Oh, interesting. And he's like, "No." So, so that was that's the thing is to the greatest degree that I can, my goal is to go into this kind of I'm experiencing something relatively fresh. Like I've used Linux before, but it was years ago and not much and and not that much. I used it for a little while and then I didn't really use it anymore. And so I'm I'm doing what I do where I go in and I go, "Okay, how would I do this?" So, I started with like Boomer uh best Linux distro for gaming. And so, I got listicles again. And to their credit, I think they were a little better than last time. Really? That's actually a little surprising to me. I'm surprised they're different at all to be honest. Except Except, hear me out, wait for it, I followed up by being a non- boomer and typing it into an LLM, which might explain why the listicles are better now. Oh yeah. And to be clear, I'm not saying I'm not saying that any of the listicles that I read happened to be LLM written or or aided. I'm just saying it's not impossible. Maybe. And and at this point in this current state of the internet, you actually don't you can never really know because even if they got that information by reading somewhere else, that other thing might have been assisted. the whole snake eating its tail situation that we've got going on here. So, so I started with googling listicles like a boomer and then followed up with asking an AI and once again the overwhelming top recommendation was come online give Pop OS another shot. So, I popped over to their website, downloaded the ISO, and it was off to the stumbling block. Races. Yeah, it was exactly off to the races. Now, now, in fairness, the first issue I had was that the M.2 SSD that I've had sitting in my tech sack for the better part of 2 years is dead. Oh, can't blame Pop OS for that. No. Nope. That's That's on me not putting it in an ESD bag. Um Oh, just RAW. Yep. It was just It was in there. It was in there. Um I got it installed. Once I figured that out and I I used a different SSD, then everything was totally fat. No, just kidding. Um everything got pretty messed up. So, I've got I've got a few little clips that I would I would love for Luke to see uh while we're here on the WAN show. Um I actually I cheated a little bit and I I showed him one of these earlier. Things were going really great. I managed to find the store almost immediately. I managed to download Steam and Discord basically as if anything more easily than if I was on Windows or if I was on Mac OS. um like Windows in particular, you can use the Microsoft Store, but like how is it Microsoft that after you force me to sign in with an account when I when I install Windows, how is it that I then have to sign into that account again when I open my browser and I go to my Microsoft email? Why do I have to do it again when I want to play Minecraft with my kids? Why do I have to do it again? Why Why do I have to do it over and over and over again? I think playing Minecraft takes three if I remember correctly cuz the website and then the like launcher, but then you also have to do the like the Xbox store, Microsoft Store or whatever. Yeah, it's crazy. wild. Like like system systemwide like user accounts have been a thing for how long how long has it been since since you just have signed into your Google account once? Yeah, like very long time. Very very long time. Very long time. Um so so that was really easy. That was awesome. And then I like downloaded a game and it like came down pretty fast. And and then and then and then things started to get a little weird and I ended up having I ended up actually bailing on Linux on the first night because I had seven people waiting in a lobby for me to play Left 4 Dead 2 on top of all the people who wanted to spectate the game who were watching on Discord which was like another 10 something like that. How many people were spectating? Probably around there. That sounds about right. So, I had all these people waiting for me and this is what would happen when I would try to play the game. And it it is wild to start this challenge at a land, but if it was Windows that he jumped in with this this would have worked off rip. Yeah. Well, yeah. So, we have to be like, you know, fair about that. It's wild to start it out at a land, but also I I tried to throw a softball. I've se I've seen I've seen a few Windows installs at lands. It's It's definitely happened. Um, I tried to Oh, do I actually have a clip of Left 4 Dead 2 crashing? So, I tried to throw a softball by by choosing a game that I assumed, and this is not a crazy assumption that I assumed would be well supported on Linux. Honestly, I think that's not only a crazy assumption. I thought that by playing this game, we were actually giving it an advantage. I I thought I was basically hacking for Steam to choose a first party Valve game as my cuz cuz the win condition for the first episode of Linux Challenge is always play a game, right? Would you like to play a game? I honestly forgot that, but I'm I'm happy that I I did launch a game technically in the videos that I recorded. Since then, I've launched more games, so it's fine. But yeah, I did I did launch a game. So, I ran into a situation where it totally worked in lobby, but then within about 30 seconds of being in the game, it would just like hard break. Yeah. Like hard hard lock up or or just hard hard crash the game. And did it throw an error or anything? I don't I don't I'm not the first time. Yeah. Okay. Um and then the second I can't remember. And I there's a lot of footage in here cuz I was expecting this to just be like a quick thing. Like I quickly install and then I'm and then I'm playing Left 4 Dead 2. I just I didn't think it'd be that big of a deal. And and for reference, just before you keep going, someone said that apparently I did a Windows install at LTX 2023. That doesn't surprise me. I don't remember that, but it doesn't surprise me either. Um Frosty Kyogre said some guy said he bought a fresh laptop for Whailand on the way there. So that like this is people have fresh Windows at lands. It it happens for sure. All right, here's me playing through around once I fixed it. Okay, hold on. I think I've got I think I've got the uh I think I've got the error. So, yeah, this is wild. Here we go. I I I actually get into a game here. I move around my mouse a little bit. Everything's running. It's running at like 300 frames per second. And I'm Give it like another Give it like another probably 10 to 15 seconds. I think I get to the bottom of the stairwell on the first map of the um which one which one is this again? What's the finale? The mall dead center. Sure. Yeah. I don't know any of the map names. bof gone. It just disappeared. Hard cut to hard cut to desktop. Application gone. And what's really frustrating is if you go on Proton DB, you find all these people in it says native. It says native. And the first when I looked at it like the first two or three were like perfect. And I even scrolled down and the first one on Pop OS was like perfect, excellent, perfect. Now when you start reading more of them, you go, "Oh, well, hold on a second. People have all kinds of problems with this." Here, there was a really funny one. Can you go down a little bit? Go down. Go down. Go down. Go down. There's one that says, "Hold on. Is this it?" Uh, steps works perfectly out of the box. Tinker steps. Switch to experimental cell. Oh, no. This wasn't it. There's one that said no tinker steps and then also said tinker steps. Oh yeah. No, no, this is the one. This is it. So, literally what this person says is works perfectly out of the box, And then the body here is tinker steps. Switch to experimental. Set this launch option. Then then they say the game ran perfectly for me without any major issues. No tinkering done whatsoever. This is where I end up feeling like I'm put in a really uncomfortable position because when you are engaging with this level of delusion, I feel like I feel like I'm I feel like I'm made to be the bad guy here. like you've got this you've got this stance that's so far out of reality that you feel like a bad guy. You almost feel like it's I almost feel like I'm being gaslit. Like I feel like the like like I'm the one who's who's a complete idiot because you know it didn't work perfectly for me and I didn't know that putting it in experimental mode and having a launch argument was no tinkering. Yeah. I don't know like where their line is, but in in my opinion, if you want to if you want a year of the Linux desktop, you know, like if you want if you want to go that hard and you want to call it a native game, uh you should be able to click play in Steam and it should just work cuz that's the experience that people are going to have on Windows, right? Well, that's I mean except when they don't. And that's really really important to acknowledge in all this because I'll come in and I'll I'll say something critical about Linux or people will feel like I'm saying something critical about Linux because I'll say something like I launched Left 4 Dead 2 and within about 30 to 60 seconds it would crash every single time I launched it and they'll be like that's a personal attack. It's like that's a personal attack on them. They're like well what about all the issues on Windows? I'm like whoa bro we're not talking about Windows. Yeah. Yeah. Fair. Yeah. Nobody brought up Windows and I'm happy to criticize Windows. You want to watch me criticize Windows? Do you want to do a Windows criticism Wan show? I'm sure you're down. Look how down he is. Yeah, I'm I'm going to chime into this one. We got to include Teams. Look how Look how happy he is right now. We got to include But sometimes that's not what we're talking about. Microsoft. Like I Man, was it on the I can't remember. Yeah, it was on the forum. It was on LT forum that Elijah did that video recently where he switched to iPhone and someone's like, "Well, you're talking a lot about the issues switching from Android to iOS, but you're not talking about all the issues going from iOS to Android. It's it's so bad." Like, you're right. We're not talking about that. You guys know what's because guess what? Elijah didn't switch from an iPhone to Android. That's not what that's not what he's [ __ ] doing. Not every video can be about everything. So, this isn't about this isn't about attacks, but it's about me being put in this position where I feel like I have to I have to like Ivonne always uses like a pendulum analogy when we're talking about like like positions in an argument or we're talking about some kind of conflict where where she'll talk about how sometimes she feels like because someone else's position is so extreme, even though the truth lies here with the pendulum at rest, She almost is forced to take this position to try to achieve that to bring us back to very common in politics. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so when I'm up against this is perfect and you're crazy for not recognizing it. It's like whoa. It can have some flaws. Windows has a lot of flaws. Oh yeah. It's okay. Oh, so many. So something that I find interesting about this is Steam Deck is used by a lot of normies. Yeah. And this is Steam Deck verified. Would you need to make like is it different? Would you need to make changes on Steam Deck or would have it had would it have had the same problem? That's a good question. And I genuinely don't know. And if Valve is implementing, so do you know what the fix was? M. So, the fix ended up being that I had to force Vulcan, which is a pretty reasonable Linux gaming fix, except that, and this is again one of those like how is this a thing, right? This is a first party Valve game. They literally make a Linux distro is not even available in the in-game menu. Mhm. You have to use a launch argument for it. So, I So, I typed in a thing. I switched over to Vulcan and then lo and behold, I've got a clip here of me gaming for I think over Yeah. over five continuous minutes and it just completely working. Bang, bang, bang. Kill all the zombies running at 300 FPS. Um, but that's not what Buddy said. Buddy said no tinkering. And also, his fix was different from mine. Someone in flow plane chat said uh yes Steam Deck is very beginner friendly but Linus keeps picking non- beginner friendly dros. As far as my understanding goes Pop OS is widely known as a fairly beginner friendly dro. That's literally why people keep recommending it. It's also friendly for people who are on Nvidia graphics which and I had someone ask this in the chat just now which I wasn't. But what I wanted was to use the same DRO across my multiple systems. Okay. My main desktop at home is Radeon. My laptop, which is what you have. My daily driver is Radeon. Uh, sorry. I had my main desktop, not the laptop. I kind of gestured over here and you kind of pointed this direction. It kind of seemed like it was I had my desktop at the LAN. I also had this. Uh, so my my my main desktop and my laptop are both Radeon, but my my downstairs gaming machine is GeForce and so is the one in the theater room, which is where I've actually been doing more of my gaming. And so what I really wanted, and that's one of the special sauce things with Pop OS, is that it's out of the box GeForce ready. Yeah. And so, so yes, I I I I I did pick a DRO because I wanted it to be more like non Linux hardware optimized friendly, but that wasn't what I was using. I was using the Radeon build and I I installed it onto a Ryzen Radeon all AMD all the time system. So, there should have been no real challenge there. But the challenges just kept on coming. Um, I showed Luke another clip earlier, so I don't have to show it to him now, where in Hell Divers 2. so that's the second game that I tried to play. Uh, he sees the character moving around on screen. It's running at, you know, I didn't I didn't install Windows on a separate partition and then benchmark them back and forth. Felt pretty solid, though. Yeah, it it was smooth. It was smooth. It felt good. Um, and then and then I scrolled down and you can see my mouse hand going like this. And I go back up and you can see that the mouse look is not working at all. What I never showed Luke is some of the troubleshooting steps that I went through to try to resolve that. So I tried rebinding mouse look. And if I bound look up to instead of mouse movement to like left click, I could totally look up. Okay. So So it was capturing the mouse. So it was perfectly capable of getting something from my mouse. My mouse was definitely working. Yeah. It was perfectly capable of tilting the camera up. Weird. But the actual mouse movement was not being registered. My controller worked perfectly though. So this was for gaming with the VIPs with the whales. And so I was like, "Well, I guess I'm gaming on a controller." Do that at least. Yeah. I Man, I hate shooters on a controller, but yeah, it is what it is. Also, did I did I point out to you the weird border on the top and the left? Did you see that? the weird like two pixel wide white border. Yeah. I I I never figured that one out. Just top and left. Yeah, just top and left. Strange. Um the most fun one though is the one that I'm going to show to you guys. And that's this issue where my uh here. Maybe I'll maybe I'll send this over to Oh, uh producer Dan is gone. So, we're going to do this the super janky way. Nice classic W show moment. Do you want me to switch cameras? Oh, no. You're just going to do the front one? Oh, yeah. Okay. Uh, I think Oh, no. It's It's pretty wild. I still don't I don't know how you would even make this happen because it's not only that there's three windows open, which I don't even know. Maybe you can do that in Steam, maybe you can't. Um, but it's also that they're all do they're all doing the inputs, but they're not showing the menus. So, like only the one that he's actively selected on shows the menu, but when he scrolls, they all scroll. It's so strange. Did you see? Did you see that, though? Yeah. So, this part they're not going to be able to hear you, but um as he moves his mouse over to the other window, it's still navigating in the previous one. It's a little hard to see, but like man, it's it's it's strange. It's uh it's very weird. We can still hear him. Oh, my bad. Sorry. I didn't think you'd be able. I yell loud enough, they kind of can. I guess Dan's mic is there, too. Um, so I've never seen that before. That was weird. Never seen that before either. And like, you know, you can you can in a lot of different things. You can make multiple versions of it come up. Um, but usually they don't all mirror the inputs and stuff. Steam, it shouldn't be. Yeah, I've never Can you open multiple instances of Steam? I've never wanted to. I've never tried. Never looked into it. Uh, but like you can with No. Okay. you can with a decent amount of other things. And so I'm gonna have a lot of people, as often happens whenever I say anything critical of Linux, I'm gonna have a lot of people coming at me for this, assuming that I did something something egregiously wrong. So, and I'm not I'm not saying anything. What led up to that? Go ahead. Do it. Do it. Pre-show viewers will get it. What What do you coward? What led up to I'm like, Shia, I'm going to run away from the press. And I'm like, do just just what what I know. I'm not saying anything. What steps led up to that? Like, what happened? So, you just launched the computer and it was just there or did you come out of a game or like what? Uh oh, it's hard to say. So, what would I have been doing at this point? I was playing Hell Divers. So, I would have been So, you're in the game and then you I assume you close the game and then it's doing that. I Oh, shoot. Okay. Don't quote me on this, but I think it was when I like remaximize it or something like that. I' I'd like get two somehow. I really don't. When you remaximize the Steam window. Yeah, because because like if you minimize it, um, it goes People are saying you can have multiple windows of Steam open, which I'm not too surprised. Also, wasn't multiple windows. No. And and to do that, I'm assuming you'd have to like launch launch argument the the like executable or whatever. I'd probably have to do something. Yeah, because Steam does not behave like that normally. I've never I don't know if Steam's on here, but I I've never literally never had multiple windows of Steam open. I don't know. This is one of those dude. This is one of those things where it's just like um don't blame don't blame blanket Linux, blame pop OS or yourself. And it's like unfortunately this is one of the challenges that Linux has with wide adoption is that and and oh man it's it's both the most beautiful incredible thing about open source and it's also the biggest problem that it has to overcome is that you can find you can find a flavor for for anything. Like was it you that I was talking to when I said something like you could have a you could have a distro of Linux that's for like gamers who hate My Little Pony or something like that or no I I think I was talking to someone else and they were like really and I was like I was like no and they're like oh yeah that makes sense that would be stupid but like the fact that I believed you I think that might have been me actually. Yeah maybe that was you is is so emblematic of the problem here. so much fragmentation and like one of one of the things is you can say people know it as Linux even that in itself is flawed. Yeah. Very. So like so like even even that statement alone has problems. It has huge problems. Linux is Linux is the kernel. Right. So, so to assume that people are going to always prop exactly properly address the thing that might be causing the issue is like obviously a fallacy. That that is not going to happen. So, people are going to just blanket call it Linux because they've been blanket calling the whole thing Linux for a long time. Um, Grelling says, "Demo OS is not intended to be a wide release. It's an OS for boutique hardware." Not actually true. Uh, Val, well, at least not originally true. When Valve announced Steam OS and the Steam Deck, they announced their intention at some point to make Steam OS an OS that you could you could download and install on your own hardware. In fact, you can do it today. It just has to be on kind of specific hardware, which is the reason that I ultimately didn't use it because I do have systems that are Nvidia and you wanted the same thing across all of them. And I I wanted to choose something that somebody with Nvidia hardware might choose for ease of use, especially cuz my plan is to install it across multiple systems, which I haven't actually done yet because it's been such a pain in the butt. Um, yeah. So, let's see what else. I I don't actually know if there's anything else in here. Uh, here's the here's the weird Steam interface bug, but just two windows. This time, this was the first time I encountered it. So, I actually encountered this multiple times, which is pretty wild. I can interact with both of them, but if I mouse over one of them, it like is interacting with the other one. Yeah, cuz like if if it was just properly two instances of Steam, that shouldn't be happening. So, what what he's showing is two completely different windows in two completely different areas. He moves his mouse on one. I'm moving my mouse here. It interacts with the other one. It's whack. So, my mouse cursor is over here. And then you can see the menus on the window on the right actually moving. And in this one, it was more bugged cuz the whole interface is just gone. It's just a black box. Uh yeah, that is weird. You can kind of see it like faintly in the background. Uh someone said, "Did Luke go with Mint?" No. Um I decided to mix it up. I I still really like Mint. I actually genuinely thought like, you know, maybe I should go back to like old faithful. I don't really actually use Linux all that much, but uh that tends to be the one that I go to when I when I do use Linux, but I had been running this. It's not currently installed on my laptop because we're trying to figure out a hardware problem and they they didn't believe in Linux. So, we have Windows running on it right now. But um I had been running just Arch on my laptop for a long time to try to prove like look if you're not doing much on your system. You can kind of run whatever and my entire use case for my work laptop is basically in a browser. So I was like it's not going to matter and yeah it didn't really matter. Um so and and my my basically point there was like I'm not interacting with the operating system basically ever. Like I I don't I didn't do anything very interesting with Arch. Um, I was I'm just running two browsers, Firefox and Chrome. That's it. On Arch, by the way. So, like, so that was that was why I did that on my laptop. So, I thought maybe I would try to extend that idea into the desktop space, but I didn't want to just use Arch again. Um, so I went with Cachio OS. And that's not the only reason. So, Cachio OS is built on built on Arch, but that's not the only reason. The other reason why I did it was because Steam OS is built on Arch. Yep. So, I was like, "Okay, what's a what's a like gamer version of Arch?" Because I'm going to want this on my desktop. I'm going to play games here. I'm going to do other stuff here. I don't want to just run Arch like I did on my laptop because I'm actually going to do more with it. The point isn't the same now, right? The point with the laptop was it doesn't really matter if all you're doing is a browser. And that's the beauty of Linux horses for courses. you can choose a different dro depending on what exactly it is that you're trying to accomplish. So now I'm trying to accomplish more. I'm trying to do more gaming stuff. Cash us uh their tagline is a performance focused Arch Linux distribution that rebuilds packages with modern CPU optimizations. I don't know. I heard it's good for gaming and it's Arch. And by the way, I did that on my laptop and and uh and Steam OS is built in it. So, I was like hoping, you know, maybe some kind I don't know, maybe things will work better through Steam there. I I have no idea. I didn't do a lot of research. Like, this is the more gamey version of the thing I've been using lately. I'll just do that. Super trendy. It is very trendy right now. It It hyper trendy. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe a third reason. It's super trendy right now. Is actually one of the reasons why I chose it. So, so same core as Steam OS. It's super trendy right now and it's based on the thing that I'm using on my on my laptop anyway. So, there's some familiarity. So, I'm going to jump in and go the hyper trendiness of it is actually the one of the reasons I didn't choose it. Fair enough. Because this kind of like flavor of the week, hyper trendy. It's weird. People have mostly forgotten about Basite already. That's crazy. That's wild to me. That's not the kind of thing that I like to lock myself into. Like whenever we whenever we do any kind of actual benchmarking or performance testing, anytime anyone talks to me, I'm like Ubuntu because it's just it's just there, you know? It might not have the sex appeal, but it's there. It's been there. It's been there for us. It's it's it's the it's the if you want to look at if you want to zoom way out over time, it's the consumer Linux disc. It's been there for everybody. Everybody knows about a bunch of people are saying like, "Oh, basite's still cool." We're not trying to say basite isn't cool. What we're trying to say, you don't have to be personally attacked here. Roughly 6 months ago, if you discussed Linux at all and didn't say Basite every second word, Basite Bite Bite, you would get screamed at. And that is already no longer true. And now a lot of people are saying cashy, cashy, cashy. Uh, that's not that's definitely the third out of the reasons that I had, but I did I was interested in checking it out. Um, and I will say for the more involved experience, cuz again, I didn't get this on my laptop, there are things I miss about Mint. Cash is cool. It's been fine. I haven't really had any problems. Nice. Good for you. Happy for you. There are things that I'm still planning on doing that I suspect might cause some problems. So, we'll see how that goes. But, I'm only I started after you. I'm only a few days into this, I am pretty fresh and I haven't done a ton on it. So, we'll we'll see how it goes. Didn't take me doing a ton. All I had to do was launch a first party Valve game in Steam. Oh yeah, I didn't even talk about those audio issues I had in Discord. Oh yeah, everyone's audio was so quiet I could barely hear them. Did you ever fix that? A reboot just sort of magically I did have I did have some weird there's a there's a one of the recordings that I sent in. After I played it back, I didn't know this while I was recording it, but after I played it back, it's like a little laggy. that was happening in when I was like watching videos and a couple other things as well. I noticed it when I was watching a YouTube video that the YouTube video would hitch every once in a blue moon. I hadn't restarted the system literally once yet. Wonder if it's like a hardware acceleration issue or something. No idea. Restarted the system one time problem in a way. And I had done that recording before the system restart. So I, you know, one restart after doing some updates and stuff, not a big deal. Um, but that's that's the only thing I've really ran into so far. Like I don't love the like package manager. You mentioned how like oh I found the pop west store pretty quick and then I was just the bottom left icon. It was like right there. The name was like it's like they were trying to not call it app store. They were they were so desperately trying to call it anything but App Store so that they wouldn't have to call it App Store that they ended up with a name that just I I forget what it is but it just like was not that obvious to me. Uh, but yeah, it's so like I'm probably gonna go get an alternative store at some point because like I don't love the default one. It works. Uh, there's been a decent amount of things I've I've looked for that weren't there. No, it's called Hold on. Hold on. Jump in. It's called Pop Shop, which is a perfectly reasonable name. Okay. When it when I mouse over it, it was called something. It was called I swear it was called something else. It was not called Pop Shop. I have no idea. Charge Nuclei says it's not an app store. Yeah, I know. But sometimes we use words for things like ATM machine. It's not an ATM machine because the machine is the M and the Yeah, but like sometimes we just say things so that people understand what they are and what their function is. And and by the way, there's a bunch of people spamming me right now. Use this thing. Use that thing. I'm sorry. I'm not going to listen. Uh I'm I'm just going to do stuff and we'll see how it works. Um if I run into a problem, I'll Google it. I'll I'll look it up in some other way. I'll I'll consult the sands. I'll do whatever. Um, but I don't want to go based on like chat recommendations because that doesn't seem like a normal um experience that someone would have. So, I'm I'm literally just going to brain dump everything you guys tell me. Um, now like yeah, if I read something on a forum or whatever, I'll take information from there, but I I don't want to use it on alternate route. And I'm also not having problems really. I just don't love it. It doesn't seem great like the package manager, but I can get a new one. Uh, not a problem. I'm not too worried about it. Um, yeah. Other than that like no major no major issues. I felt Mint was very comfy for me and I am now I would say slightly outside of the comfort zone desktop environment that I really didn't stretch for. I just went with Cinnamon which is the one that I'm most used to. Um, I did also install um, Hyperland just in case I want to go have fun, but I'm very used to Cinnamon and I'm happy to be with it. Someone said go with Budgie. I saw that because the name I thought it might be fun, but yeah. Wait, you can use Cinnamon with Arch. Yeah. Yeah, I have Cinnamon installed on on both laptop and desktop, I think. Good luck. Rehyperland. Yeah, that's the reason why I didn't only install Hyperland. Uh, I don't know that I'll ever touch Hyperland. Um, I I might I might just literally not get to it. Apparently, it's called the Cosmic Cosmic Store. So, it's uh I is it is it this one? I think it's this one. When I moused over it, it wasn't it wasn't super obvious, so I forget what comes up. Does it just say cosmic? I'm I'm actually not sure. So, don't quote don't quote me on any of that. Uh, Cosmic Store. Another another thing I'll say is like and we have to we have to basically address this every time and and I think there is a subset of Linux mega nerds that actually don't want the year of Linux desktop to be a thing. I know then it would be not like cool. Yes, exactly. I think that is a subset. Probably not that big of a subset, but I do think that is a subset of people, but um man, yeah, there's and I don't know, maybe people should RTFM a little more and Google things themselves and stuff, but like I'll come across a Reddit thread where somebody's like, "Oh, how do I do this thing in like an archbased dro?" And instead of just like, oh, here's your actually like really simple answer because the question you asked is like not that deep, there will be like a seven paragraph thing about how you're a freaking idiot and you should never touch Arch and you should probably go back to Windows, you tiny little ins insignificant baby. And it's like, dude, relax. Like, oh my god. I I think it was like I think the guy was like, "How do I install Steam?" Yeah, it was how do I install Steam in Arch? And the reason why I looked that up, which seems really basic, was because I was just stunned it wasn't in the package manager. Yeah. I was like, "What?" Like really? And like I ended I ended up just installing it like I I just Pac-Man it. But like I I was a little bit surprised because like yeah, I'm comfortable enough I can use the command line and stuff, but I kind of the gooey is there. I kind of like it. It's fine. It's almost like basically everything for 98% of people has moved to Guey. For a reason. And it's weird that Steam isn't in there. Like Steam's pretty normal. No, Chrome also wasn't in there, but Chromium was. I thought that was just kind of a funny little thing. Uh there might be some other reason for that, but I was like, "Okay, whatever. I'll just try Chromium and see how that goes." So, I'm running Chromium instead of Chrome cuz I always I do Firefox for personal stuff, Chrome for work. I've always done that. I the separation actually at this point is like very fluent. Not doing that would be very weird, right? Like if I did personal stuff in Chrome or work stuff in Firefox, it would probably feel very odd. Um, so like, okay, I've got my two, everything's fine. Um, Teams is like a problem. Have you done that? Have you installed Teams? I haven't installed Teams yet. Oh, I like Man, it sucks. There's there's no like official Microsoft. Yeah, there used to be though. There was a long time ago. I think maybe the first time we did the challenge there was I think I think it was I think we were right on it was it still existed but the support for it was like bad or something. Don't don't quote me on that, but I remember us I remember it being a thing. We definitely discussed it at the time. Mhm. Yeah. Uh teams is the reason Luke will go postal. It's already annoying. um like I I had a meeting. So how how our meetings tend to work is you get a team's meeting that is attached to your calendar invite. So you click on that and then it brings you into the meeting. It's not in my opinion it's it's really whack. Guys, stop telling me to try things. I'm not going to listen to you. I've already said that. You can stop. I'm legitimately not I will probably avoid the things that you tell me. That is the most wrong thing you've ever said. You said you can stop. They can't. They actually can't stop. They're addicted to the shindig. Um, but okay. So, I I in in Windows it you you click on that link and it'll be like, "Oh, you have Teams installed. Do you want to just open this with your desktop application?" And like, "Yeah, every time I would prefer to do that. Thank you." Um, I don't think bec because it's maybe because it's an unofficial app. Maybe there's some way I can link the two. I'm sure there is. I haven't done the work to do that yet. Right now, it really only wants to open in the browser. So, the first call that I had to take, I ended up being like I answered in the browser and then it was like a little whack and I was like, "Hey, can I just call you through the app?" And then we did and I click call on the app and then I think it doesn't work and like 15 seconds later the call goes and actually does something and I'm like, "Okay." So, like the biggest problem I've had so far is just teams. Um, which is kind of funny cuz Discord actually worked flawlessly. Instant. Oh, right. I'm glad yours was. Forgot about that. Sorry about that. Yeah. No problem. Congratulations. Uh, so Discord and Slack both worked immediately with no no issues. But yeah, Teams was a problem, but it seemed very centralized to to to Teams. Um, yeah. Rest assured says in chat, you were on Cosmic. Is that five question marks? That's in beta. Still borderline alpha. I don't know, brother. I just downloaded whatever was on system 76's website. I Yeah, I I don't know, dude. It says It just says now with Cosmic. I don't I don't make the I don't make the rules, man. Maybe maybe what I managed to do maybe what I managed to do was catch them at a bad time again. Wouldn't that be just the way Cosmic is borked? Cosmic is not new. Cosmic is 1.0 now. See, to me 1.0 means new and pre 1.0 means not even new yet. Like to me to me 1.0 know is the infant baby. Like it's still like completely worthless. You ask that infant baby to shovel the snow in the driveway. Useless. Infant baby. It out there. It doesn't even move. Anything before that is in womb. So yeah, if id known better, maybe I wouldn't have gone pop. But now I'm going to at least I'm going to at least give it a shot. I'm gonna Well, I feel like I've given it a shot. Oh, I don't want to change it. It's such a I feel if if changing your operating system is not your hobby, then this is not an attractive proposition. And I think that's something a lot of people have a hard time wrapping their brain around. Yeah. Yeah. Changing my OS is not my hobby. Redoing the plumbing in my computer. Yeah, that's my hobby. More you like the hardware. I could be I could be convinced to do that. clean out my blocks. Yeah. Yeah. I I I will say like it's been fine, but it has been like Oh, right. I have to install that thing. Okay. Oh, I'm not logged in on all of the different things. That's annoying. Huh? Slack's been quiet today. Oh, yeah. I don't have that installed yet. Crap. That's why it's been quiet today. Oh, no. Then install that and then Oh, everything's fine. Okay, cool. And like it's uh Yeah. And I think it's I think it's one of those things where like it all depends on you know what your baggage is, right? I hate logging into things. I feel like half of my life is logging into things because I do so many disperate tasks in so many disperate platforms that like almost anytime I get interrupted and I have to do anything, I'm logging in again and fetching a two-factor thing again and then going and remote desktoping into some other thing to retrieve some other token that I need to like there's always I'm always logging into something. So if you tell me, hey, guess what, Lionus? There's this trendy new Linux distro. All you have to do is log into all your Okay, I'm done. Not interesting. The conversation's actually over now. That went from fun and interesting to kill it with fire with that with with that fast. Yeah, I I I do I will say I really appreciate actually the login methods for Discord and Steam these days. the QR coding from your phone, it's okay, is oh, it was pretty fast for me. I I didn't even open those specific apps. I just opened my camera. The camera used the link to open that app to the screen where it did the scan thing and then I just was like, "Oh, okay. That worked." And then it scanned it and it just logged me in instantly. I didn't do anything. It was amazing for me. I have my Steam password memorized, so maybe it's just Oh, well that the friction of taking anything out of my pocket is just sort of annoying. That's an example of how many damn times you have to log into things. I dude, I have like very rarely logged in my Steam. I have way too many of my passwords memorized now, just because it's faster than typing in my master password and then going and getting my two factor and then doing my single sign on. They promised us that pass keys were going to remove the friction. Pass keys and single sign on was supposed to make everything magically better. Well, and then it got hyper paywalled. Single sign on getting hyper paywalled is like one of the worst things that have happened to modern computing in my opinion. Um, yeah. I don't know. Right now, I need something stronger. I haven't ran into anything that would make me run back to Windows. I have only been using it for a little bit and I suspect I'm going to hit a hard wall. Yeah. The Indiana Jones game hasn't come out. You know exactly. I'm gonna hit a hard wall where it's it's an anti-cheat thing or something like that and I just can't run it on this system and I'm going to go what the heck I'm going to end up back on. You'll hit the exact same that I did at the land. There's seven people waiting in a lobby for me. Yeah, it's going to drive me nuts. I'm [ __ ] around with my special snowflake Linux while everyone else is sitting here going, "Okay, so what? Because of your special dietary restriction, we need to make an entirely new meal for you and play the game that you can play. Actually, we don't really need you in our friend group that bad." That sucks. Yeah. And that happens. You can you maybe you have a super happy Funtime uh friend group that you've been with for forever and that doesn't happen to you and that's great, but that does actually happen. Even if it doesn't and they're nice about it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't cause friction. I mean, and it might happen slow. I mean, there's a there's someone and I this is someone that I like very much and enjoy as a person, but there's someone who kind of stopped getting gaming invites from us because it was very high friction. And I love working for him, which it's a bit of a tell, which narrows things down a little. But between audio problems and just general connection stability and you know just Oh man, that's pretty funny. Um Oh, who' you think I was talking about? Uh I'm just kidding. I know who you thought I was talking about. I was going to say there's another one. Yeah, I guess I guess I guess we're those people. That's I haven't been playing with you guys lately. I don't like that. Yo, what the [ __ ] It happens, man. It happens, man. Mr. Tech problems. Is this just cuz I'm on Linux? Mr. Tech's got a lot of tech problems. I'm late for a Left 4 DEAD LOBBY ONE TIME. Sometimes we got an hour to play and sometimes it takes you an hour to be set up. Listen. Listen. Oh, sorry. Sorry, I have to update I have to update the transversal auxiliary wave pump in my 14th computer in my seventh room so that I can play in the in my theater room. But never mind, that's not going to work cuz little man wants to play there. So, I'm going to play in this other place and then I'm going to play in the upstairs and then my thing isn't going to work and I'll see you guys in an hour. Never mind, I can't play cuz Ivon needs some help. I'll be back in 20 minutes. actually this these other people. What if we just what if we what if everyone just remoteed in my computer and we play that way? Oh, wait. That doesn't work. Never mind. We'll do this other thing. Okay. You've kind of touched on a number of issues. I have a very troubleshooting oriented personality type. I I get I get fixated on a goal and sometimes my goal is something like we need to play 5v5. Yeah. And then you have issues with like X input barely even supports it or like the remote software like Steam remote uh what what is it remote play together doesn't support that many controllers but but Parseek does and you and you make your way down these all these like troubleshooting steps. Okay. So that's that's one of the personality issues that you've identified. Thank you very much. Um another one is the multiple systems and some of them being in various states of setup. Yes. Okay. That's a reflection of my fragmented mind. Sure. Okay, let's go with that for personality flaw number two. The last one is actually um this one comes up a lot and is the one that I I guess I don't really talk to you guys about as much, but comes up more often than the other ones, but sometimes I will go such a long period of time between gaming sessions that like everything's everything's out of date, everything is demanding updates. Yeah. And that is such an annoying thing about modern gaming that even with a fast internet connection, I need to be seated at my computer if I haven't played in a couple months. So there could be like a major patch on the game or there could be like a game ready driver or you know whatever, right? or or like just your crap all logs you out because you know how things spontaneously log you out now. And so you have to be like seated at your computer 20 minutes ahead of time in order to make your game date. It's like at that point I might as well drive to someone's house and we can just plug in controllers and play Xbox One honestly. Yeah. Not one. The first one where you just put the disc in it and you play Halo. That' be sick. You just needler each other until everyone's just angry, you know? Like it honestly just sounds more fun at that point. Swords, shotguns, Halo 2, the map where there's the the ramps and the towers and the blue boingy thing. Solid. Heck yeah, dude. Heck. No, but in all actuality, we just haven't been playing very much. Life's been busy. Yeah, I hear you. But like every time I go to Smash Champs, every time without fail, someone says, "Hey, you're back." And like I do go there once in a while, but I'm not attending like I had been. Like I played ladder last night and um Oh, you mean for for bminton? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I sorry you said when I go to Smash my brain's just like whale man. No. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Um so I'm just like I'm not like I'm not seeing members of the community nearly as much as they're like used they have gotten used to seeing me. Can you think it's been open for a year? It's pretty wild. How crazy is that? It was fun having all the land attendees look through the doors and just go like whoa. It went the other way too. Yeah. Badminton people were like, "What the heck is going on? What is this?" Cuz I was actually playing in the morning of the Saturday. So I was I was playing badminton uh from 9 to 11 with a group that came up from Seattle. So it's not like we could just like meet another time and play cuz they were up for a couple of them had a birthday or something. So they came up. They did the new go-kart place in Richmond. I haven't tried it yet. Have you been? But like twole one. It looks awesome. I didn't know we had a two-level one. Yeah, it it just like they they were closed for renovations for like ever and I want to go. Maybe we should Oh, it's Oh, man. We should do it for summer fun. Summer's coming up. That would be sweet. Speeders. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's that one. Multi-level tracks. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So, I want to I want to go there. Here. Here. Here. Luke laptop. Endless ways to play. Oh, look. Yeah, they're they're go This is clearly them going up. Whoa. 30 minutes. Whoa. Yeah, I know. They have laser tag and stuff, too. Is this the new like Castle Fun Park? No, it's in Richmond. Speeders has been there for a long time, but they rent like the, you know, they have laser tag, they have bowling, they have darts, they have mini golf. Like Castle Fun Park is still my Castle Fun Park. Yeah, they flooded again. I know. I heard they flooded again, bro. I feel so bad for them. It's got to be really If you visit up here and like need a thing to do some night for some reason, maybe you're here for work or whatever. Castle Fun Park is genuinely a really good time. Go to Castle Fun Park. It's a bit out of the way. And they've had like nature trying to tear them down. They've they've they had some underground experiences like they had this really cool actually underground mini golf and stuff and their place got flooded and those underground areas got red. How could Abbottzford be subject to so many acts of god? Yeah. Really? It's right in the name. It's the fort of Abbotts. Um but yeah, check this out. like, uh, oh, right. So, yeah. So, I was playing with the badminton people and like multiple of the the group that came up was like, what is that? And I'm like, oh, well, it's like it's a land like for gaming. They're like, oh, like esports. I'm like, yeah, kind of if you could only play with the people at the land and pretty much everyone was bad. Yeah, yeah, kind of. Um, no offense. I'm including myself in that to be clear. But yeah, like uh dude, we on the badminton side, we've been open for one year and this is what it looks like right now. That's really cool. Like this is this is crazy. Like kind of you can Yeah, you can kind of see it. But like we kind of accidentally like a whole like business and it's it's funny, right? Cuz like you see so many like there's people waiting on the side right now. You could see everyone like waiting off court. You people who don't like understand um the sport and the popularity of the sport. Uh there were so many comments on the initial videos like announcing it. Dude, those courts were like very active until like 3:00, 4 in the morning during whale. Like I I would go kind of poke my head over every once in a while and then I I think there might have been a few even outside of those hours, but like I kind of stopped. The late night stuff I think was mostly LMG people. I was goofing around with them for a bit and like Ivonne was over there. Uh I think like a bunch of the accounting people were over there and stuff. people are still using it. But yeah, like it's um I don't know. Yeah, there were a lot of just like this is this is so incredibly stupid. This will never be a viable business. It's like guys, people need stuff to do. Third places, man. Yeah, give me some third places. And no offense to speeders, but give me some third places that aren't $100 every half hour. I had uh I I had never heard the term before until I was chatting with um with Sherrod. Third place. Yeah. Yeah. And uh and he was just he was just talking about like the lack of of third places and I'd actually like I don't know you know how I am like someone will bring up anything and I start going like oh like like what would be the opportunity to like to fix this and so I um I was so I was this was actually uh on our China trip and I was brainstorming with Sherrod this idea for um third place inc there's there's some pretty cool ideas. I I couldn't afford to do it here cuz it's just like kind of crazy. But the idea the basic idea behind it is you want it to remove you want to remove the decision paralysis of deciding where you're going and what you want to do. Like it's kind of the physical equivalent of you know how it's impossible to decide what to watch because there's so many options whether it's on Plex or Netflix and Yeah. Exact exactly that. So you go on like I'm we must have all been there. You you're everyone's hungry. You fire up Google Maps and there's just a zillion options. So the idea is that with Third Place, Inc. you remove that friction. You just go there. So it would like have programming or events, but none of them would be posted online. And maybe the bulletin board literally like I had this idea of having like um like like a door peepphole style lens so you can like look and you can you can like see what's going on today but you can't like take a picture of it or anything. You know obviously people would people would post them but you try to you try to discourage it. And so the idea is just that you you uh you just have this kind of uh this kind of like programming events whether it's like okay tonight we're doing poker night you're not good at poker it doesn't matter everyone's playing poker tonight. Um flagship locations could be set up with all kinds of activities that encourage casual coexistence. So uh a music listening room with a jukebox. Crazy idea. Not a new idea, but the idea being that you don't everyone doesn't just have their headphones in. There's music playing and everyone can take their turn and for you 50 cents or, you know, whatever for a dollar you pick the next song. Um, karaoke, billiards, tabletop games. Um, it'd be cool if it was membership based, so you don't pay have to pay every time you go there. So, you kind of remove that friction. You just go, you just go hang out. You'd want to be somewhere transit friendly. And then, you know, one of the things that came up with, okay, how do you deal with unsavory stuff? You know, drug deals, hooking up in the bathrooms, do you do it through a member's code of conduct? Do you do you count on people to self police? That's that's kind of as far as we got, but like, man, how much would you how much would you enjoy just having a pops chocolate shop, you know? And that's a that's a bit of a dated that's a that's a reference. Dated reference, but yeah. No, I think it would be like a country club. Remember remember the part about it being affordable though. That's where the country club thing doesn't really land for most people. But then the the issue with it being affordable is how do you do that affordably these days? How do you have that much space in you can't anywhere in British Columbia? I mean that's the one part anywhere that has population. That's the one part that most people didn't understand about Smash Champs. Like that's the things that they thought were stupid were not stupid at all. And the things that almost nobody flagged were very stupid. The building. Uh yeah, the building itself. Because that's been strange to me that if people didn't put that together, the number of people mad about us acquiring the tech house, you know, another house and like not recognizing that compared to our commercial real estate acquisitions, that's like It shows up on the line. Oh, it's a line item. It's a line item. It's definitely a line item. It's for sure a line item. Um, but like Yeah. I don't Yeah. Okay. I think part of the problem with this problem is just like magnetizing people away from these and and these these types of things. Oh, that was Oh, sorry. I didn't I didn't mention that. You you check your phone at the door. Oh, no. I meant to get there at all because like get them out of their house. Get them out of their bedroom or whatever. There's a video I watched from hopefully I don't pronounce it wrong, but I think it's You're going to like this though. You're going to like this. No, I'll pause this. It's fine. Hold that thought. But the idea was that you check your phones at the door, but that's okay because at the reception you can so you can opt to leave it so that to to leave it out or to put it in the box and then if you get an emergency call literally you can like call third place or No, sorry. No, that wasn't the idea. That was one idea and then I was like no, there's too many privacy issues. And then the new idea was that you have a landline at third place and then you could you could like you you'd have to call and then they'd like page you like remember when you were trying to reach your parents at work when we were kids and you'd have to call the office and you'd be like scared to talk to the stranger and be like um is can I talk to Mrs. Sebastian like yeah uh can I can I tell her who's calling? Yeah, it's her son. Oh, okay. Okay, little Lionus. Uh yeah, I'll I'll go get her. And then it would be like five minutes and they'd go get them. You could potentially like if you had the phones badged by name, which wouldn't be very hard. I mean, be kind of automatic. I'm assuming you're bagging it somehow with a tag so you know who to give it to. Um, you could just see the caller ID. If there's no caller ID, who cares? Just let it ring through anyways. But if there's a caller ID, you could be like, "So and so, this caller ID is calling you." And then that person can decide if they want to come get their phone or not. But that yeah, that's pretty sweet. Uh, but yeah, I watched I watched this video from I think it's Emil, Emil, Emil, sorry, they say their name in the video and I already forgot how to pronounce it. But, uh, you should install a cheap computer in your room. And I don't know why I clicked on this, but I was I I think my thought process was like, why why would I possibly want a cheap computer in my room? Their argument was actually pretty good. I don't want to play it cuz you should go watch MSN Messenger. No. Um, I've heard there's still versions that work, by the way. No way. I've I've shut up through the grape vine. Uh but their argument was that for them by doing this they might choose a higher medium and through doing that not doomscroll. They might watch a movie. They might play a game. They might do something. I don't remember all the details. It's been a bit since I watch it. Uh go watch it if you're interested. But um I liked the thought process of just like just something to keep me from doom scrolling. And I think it's the these are such crazy magnets these days. And I think it's part of the equation, probably a small part. I think the biggest part is that just land and everything cost so much freaking money these days. But part of the reason why I think third places are disappearing is cuz people just aren't engaging as much cuz they're sucked into this. They're sucked into just vegetating on Netflix all day. they're sucked into something that keeps them at home alone. And it's it's it kind of sucks. I am a person that very very much deeply values my alone time, but I also have to understand that there's kind of too much. And something that would be kind of neat about a third place, you mentioned the like music listening room. There's these there's these ideas of being alone but amongst people and it is a very different thing than being alone by yourself at home rotting in bed. It is. It is very different. Even if you're not actively socializing, maybe you're just hanging out in the back of the the music listening room, vibing out, listening to different tracks people put on. Maybe most of the time you're not all that interested in what it is, but maybe someone puts on a song that you really jive with for some reason, and you ask them about it and figure out who the band is, whatever else, and you have these like little interactions. It can be really healthy, especially, I'm assuming a very high percentage of males are in the audience right now, especially for us. There's a crazy like we don't socialize with anyone problem going on right now where we all just spend all of our time alone and fighting against that is like a a a valiant thing to do. So this this stage in development um occurs around 2 to four years and it's called parallel play. I love parallel play when a child plays alongside or near others but doesn't play with them. So, different toys in the same sandbox or a group of kids drawing on their own papers while sitting side by side, focused on their own journeys, but still aware of one another. And it feels like we're not even getting there. Sometimes parallel play is great. Um, and you were saying like we end up uh we end up alone in our homes. We also end up alone outside of our homes. I saw this uh I saw this really interesting I see both sides um ond eyes forward. So it was it was kind of a kind of a a a women centric subreddit. Sure. Uh talking about how how invasive and uncomfortable and almost like borderline aggressive it is if someone approaches them in public when they have their AirPods in. and you know uh and and I kind of went and they were like you know oh it's you know when you have your AirPods in it makes you seem unapproachable and they're like that's the point and I'm like oh man definitely see both sides because it it especially like I'm not a woman big surprise shocker I know right not a woman I would have never known but there are definitely aspects of the being a woman experience that I have witnessed as a as a third party non-woman that would make me really uncomfortable in public. Yeah. A little bit too much attention. Yep. A little bit too much. Want to be by yourself today. Might just want to listen to my music and and jog. Be left alone. And maybe I'm wearing short shorts because I don't want to wear sweaty leggings that are tied up against my legs, but that's not an invitation to, you know, want to touch them. You know, sure, that makes total sense. Perfectly reasonable. On the other hand, like you go out in public and like like everyone has their AirPods in. Not literally everyone. And I'm obviously being a little hyperbolic right now, but many people do. And you kind of wonder, well, like what was it like? Before that, and and were there things about that that were maybe better and healthy and and maybe healthier? Again, I have put the AirPods in and hoped no one would talk to me before. Totally get it. Sometimes mid conversation I'll even put my AirPod back in hoping that somebody might recognize a non-verbal cue. But, you know, without, you know, um, categorizing our community, I will say there are ah, social cues might not be many members of the LT community that don't really pick up nonverbal body language cues. doesn't always work, but uh you know, you try. You try. Um and you know what? Like I I get that. I'm not offended by it. I'm not upset by it. Doesn't really bother me. I'm also not a woman. Totally. And it really is different. Very different experience. Very different. When I'm getting unwanted attention from a man, it's just kind of like, bro, go do something else. It's also fascinating. I don't we don't need to go down this chain really. But it's fascinating to me if I am like attached to say my partner right now. If I if I'm right if I'm right next to them or my arms around them or holding hands, if there is some strong indication that I'm with this person, it's fine. The second I like float out of the picture, it changes. And it's like First, I need the jealous type. Well, no. If if I'm if I'm So, if we're like this, it's fine to talk to me. If he's not next to me, that is not my point. That is not my point. My point, he might go full like Papa Bear mode. You watch out for that. My My point is that like it's it's surprising how palpable and fast the change in attention can be. And like we saw we saw this in New York. I was like I was floated off to the Emma was getting something from a food cart and you and I were all kind of more floated off to the side cuz we were reading the side of the thing. So she was kind of on her own and some dude came up like pretty close right behind her and I repositioned and then they left and it was like that was fast. It's almost like we're actually like animals. everything like you know how every man somehow knows which urinal to stand at? And it's funny because women will talk about how they like don't get it. That's because you never needed to. That's because a 100,000 years ago, a million years ago, you weren't marking your territory with this thing, you know? You like it's but it's culturally universal. Sure. Yeah. I'm serious. Did Did humans mark their territory with this? I know dogs did. Did humans do that? Humans might not have, but something at some point did. We definitely there's clearly there's clearly vestigial like I don't like I don't want to pee right next to another dude unless we're pretty close. Do you? Yeah, sure. Sure. All right. I I'll I'll follow. Yeah. Like there's there's occasional social situations. I think it might just be like shyness cuz you have your dong out and in your hands and you don't want to be like literally shoulderto-shoulder with someone. But where's the origin of that? Why do we have that shyness? Would I be shy sitting next to another dude and ripping apart? Uh yeah, probably not as much. Why not? I I think there's some something coming out of my butt. He won't like it. This might be a hot take, but I think fart smelling is different than dawn looking. But the thing, I mean, you dawn gazing is a little different than farts smelling at the urinal. There's usually a barrier anyway. So, it's not even about the look. It's not even rational anymore. Hot take. If you're a tall dude, there effectively is not a barrier. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. Is and like, you know what? I'm not even trying to be like, I'm tall. You think there's a barrier for Lucas? There ain't no barrier for Lucas. This is true. This is very true. But what I'm basically saying is like there's things that are that are that are non don't need to be communicated that are non-verbal that we all just like kind of understand except the ones that don't. Um and coming way back around some of them can make life a little uncomfortable to be a woman. And I don't have to experience that which is great. And unfortunately, AirPods might be limiting our ability to socially interact. And third place would strive to be different somehow and probably would fail for that reason because people people, like I said in that in that subreddit, they they liked it this way and wanted it this way. And the whole third place, it might end up a a pit of 300 dudes that are all single, everyone back in the pile. And and you know, it might you might walk in that door h and feel a little targeted when 600 eyeballs turn at you all all at once. Not to mention the other balls. Yeah, pretty much. So, yeah. I don't know. There's there's problems with these things. It is it is a tragedy that a lot of these third places are gone, but I I don't have an answer for it. Um, have we done a topic yet? One, which I don't even know if we're actually done. You are not. We talked about the Linux stuff. Oh, I'm done. Um, I don't have a lot to add. Yeah, I think um there are some cozy things from Mint that I miss. But I'm fine so far. As of right now, everything that I've had to do has me not looking back towards Windows at all. I fully expect my final conclusion is going to be wanting to go back to Windows because I'm going to run into game compatibility issues. Um, and honestly, maybe because the Teams experience is just so bad and I have to use Teams, so it just is what it is. Um, this is why I never look at YouTube chat. I take the middle urinal. I love that awkward moment of silence when they have to decide whether or not to go next to you or go into a stall. Actual monster that feels like uh someone that we knew used to vary their walking speed to be a little bit faster than you or a little bit slower than you just to see how you'd react. Do you know who I'm talking about? I can type it. I'm going to type it. That checks out. I didn't know that they did that. It feel It feels like that type of thing. Just they just It's just the like social observation. They just want to see. Um Ivonne picked up on a tism thing from me that I hadn't realized that I was still doing. Um, so like like years into my relationship, she finally acknowledged it out loud. She's like, "Oh yeah, you're doing that thing where you don't step on cracks, so it makes your it makes your gate really uneven." Um, but it's fine. And I was like, "Oh god, now I'm like hyper aware of this." I do stuff like that all the time. That's not me doing it on purpose to find out how other people will react to Yeah. I don't think I even sort of hide that. I'll I'll like really dramatically like I'll either on purpose step on all of them or not step on them or I have to force myself to not think about it which makes me think about it a lot. That makes sense. And then I just walk with very even I actually try to walk in step with her. Super robotic. Yeah. She's she's 2 in shorter than me, but women tend to have proportionally longer legs compared to their torsos. So our legs are almost exactly the same length. And I are exactly the same. Yeah. So we So So I can So if I pay attention to it at all, then I uh then I can just like walk completely in lock step with her and then I and then I don't have to think about it as much because if we're attached then I don't have to look down and think about where I'm stepping. I'm just a child when I walk. I'll I'll jump on all the lines or avoid all the lines. I'll if there's like a little, you know, I don't know what you want to call it, a little flat bit like stopping the, you know, dirt on a slope or something, I'll I'll try to walk on Nice. Who knows? Do whatever. Oh, a puddle. Yeah, totally. That's me for sure. I'm not walking. I'm going to have fun. Whatever. Uh, what are we supposed to be doing? Probably. Next topic. Some coms. Coms and CW. Time for some checkout messages. So, our end of season sale is extended. You want to fire up lmg.gg/endofseason. We are bumping the sale to 30% off. So, if there's something you've been eyeing for a while, this is probably the moment to grab it. Um, we are clearing space for what's coming next, which means you can get current season gear at offseason pricing. Um, and then wear it now or stash it for next year. Or you can I mean wait and get other stuff later. Either way you win, I guess. Uh you can find the sale at lmg.gg/end of season. Oh, there's only these ones left. Well, that's the thing about a clearance sale. Y. So, uh if you see something here that's in your size, you should probably order it now. Don't be don't be a Luke. Don't make that noise. I guess you knew what I was going to say. I I keep I kept meaning to uh request this and then I just kept forgetting to and now it's out of stock and now it's gone. I actually really wanted one. The last chance sale is also still live. lg.gg/lastchance. There's some really solid deals in here. Once these ones hit zero, that's it. Shop the sale before it's gone. We got the polo shirt. We got the dropout hoodie. Uh we got the not a hot dog V-neck t-shirt. I I like that one. Some bundles. Uh there's a lot of really good backpack deals. Some of these bundles are wild right now. Yep. So go check that out. Finally, we're keeping the buy more, save more deal on all of our blank TE's cuz we get it. When you find something that fits well and just works, it makes sense to grab a couple maybe in a few different colors and then call your wardro wardrobe optimized. You can check it out at lmg.gg/blank te's. Buy more, save more. The more you buy, the more you save. It's girl math. We know you love it. Okay, here you go. Two shirts is 45, three is 60, four is 70, five is 80. Dang. Yeah, that's a pretty good deal. Yeah. High quality shirts. All right. And when you're placing your order, hey, you might want to send a checkout message. The way these work is you just add something to your cart on ltstore.com and it will go to producer Dan. If you guys are going to throw money at your screen to check to check If you guys are going to throw money at your screen to interact with us on the show, we figure you might as well get high quality merchandise in return. Like say for example the lawsuit hoodie that Luke had out just now. So in the cart you can uh say whether you want your name to appear or not. You can choose a color scheme and oh my god I think I get that out of here. You go ahead and place your order and it'll go to Dan who will reply to it or who will uh forward it internally or who will just kind of pop it up, you know, somewhere or who will curate it for me and Luke on the show. So, want to show them a couple curated ones, Dan? Yeah, sure. We got a bunch here already. Last week, you talked about Apple headphones on Android with updates. What's your take on Samsung only supporting 3D spatial audio on its own headphones? I use Sony and it has no support for it. Generally Samsung's fault. Generally speaking, vendor lock is not something that I'm a huge fan of. However, 3D spatial audio, are we talking the kind where it knows where it is relative to the position of your device? Do we know that this is Samsung's fault or is this something that they specifically had to build for like on their hardware in order to make it work? I I legitimately don't know. My new pair of headphones has 3D spatial audio like you've described and it works with literally anything. Okay. But is that because they did a bunch of extra work or is it because Samsung specifically I guess what I'm asking is did Samsung specifically lock it out or did they wonder just not put in the work? Uh, that I don't know. That I don't know. In general though, no. I I consider that to be a downer. If they are selling these headphones as having 3D spatial audio and it only works on a Samsung phone, it's it's it's a pretty crummy user experience. I want to be able to I want to be able to mix and match. I don't want to have to buy my next phone from Samsung just because my headphones happen to be from Samsung and I really like 3D spatial audio. I don't happen to really like 3D spatial audio, so it's not a big issue for me, but your mileage may certainly vary on that. I know some people like it. Dan, do you like 3D spatial audio? I have never used the feature, so no, I don't. Neat. Okay, cool. I mean, I hear Have you not used the feature cuz you don't like it or do you I don't use it cuz it's I don't like it. Got it fine with stereo. I did try one that was like 3D in a space that was kind of neat. Like it was kind of more now it's kind of sounds like you're in a good room which is a little different. Oh yeah. That's more like a that's just like a that's a type of it but not the like your head it's coming from speakers. Yeah. But that's like a DSP thing. That's like the good oldfashioned EAX. Remember EAX? Yeah. We're just regressing. You could you could play around with the EAX profiles in the in the control station and my music sounds worse. Dude, I remember Yeah. Right. Like I'd always I'd play around with it for 30 seconds just like that and then I'd be like, "Well, this is stupid. I guess I'll just not use this anymore." I was like, "Uh, you know, uh, Vapor Wave played in a dead mall from another room and you're having a hallucinatory episode." That kind of genre before that was cool. could have your MP3 player play that. Your MP5 player or whatever. Anyone else? Uh, anyone else? Yeah, chat's not all excited about 3D spatial audio, that's for sure. So, if it's vendor locked for a feature that you think is dumb, does that matter? Yeah, it still matters because principle of the thing, you know, it's still bad. Yeah. Yeah. H Yeah. Like if you have like a I don't know, you have a a lollipop where if you press a button and it makes it taste like [ __ ] then like sure, most people probably don't want But if you arbitrarily lock it out to only iPhone users because you assume maybe they just, you know, like the taste of corporate dong, then like that's not that's not your decision to make for them. They should Android users should be allowed to love corporate Dong, too. Yeah, some of them some of them for sure do. I suspect that product would have a very small but extremely dedicated audience. I bet it wouldn't be as small as you'd think. Maybe, maybe not. Did you like upload a taste profile? Jesus. EQ your throat. Just leave a couple beats there. Uh, would you want another one? Yeah, give me another. Anything. No. Uh, Luke, please give us a mini networking infrastructure lesson. Why is running a VPN gold mine? But serving video is a money pit. Oh, that's actually that's actually a pretty good question. Are users watching videos on a VPN not just as bandwidth expensive? It's just not as um I don't know the I I can't remember the the the VPN, but there's a VPN that gives a lot of public data, which is how we figured a lot of this information out on the…

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