Dan Clancy talks to TheSushiDragon | Let's Chat Podcast EP 8

Hello and welcome to Let's Chat. Let's Chat is a live podcast where I talk with creators about live streaming and the ways that streamers and their community shape culture yesterday, today, and in the future. Um, I get on the game, have a good time, talk to chat, and just enjoy the moment. It's what the It's what the kids enjoy these days. You cannot lay the next brick without the one that comes before it. I mean, it took me so much time. Time time is the most valuable resource in the entire world. And I still want to collaborate with a lot of different communities and sort of be the bridge between them. Hello and welcome to Let's Chat. So, I'm Dan Clancy. I'm the CEO of Twitch and joining me today is the one and only and unique Sushi Dragon. Yep, that's me. How you guys doing? Hi. How you guys doing? Thank you so much for having me, Dan. All right, so Sushi, since you What is your real name for everyone? Stefan. Stefan. So for those who don't know, I I just call him Sushi and I always have to go, "Oh, wait. What's his name?" Oh, yeah. It's Stefan. That's right. That's right. I do. That's so funny. Daniel. So, everyone loves calling you Dan. Yes. So, so be ready everybody. Grab onto your seat. Okay. Things move fast with Sushi Dragon. Okay. You're not going to get comfortable. He doesn't like anyone getting comfortable. Okay. Okay. We're going to start simple though before he blows your mind with all of his tech stuff. And we're going to try to keep him kind of subdued where he tells us a little bit about how this creature came to be. And so, how did this creature we all know and love as Sushi Dragon come to be? Tell us about your background. Wow. That's a that's a that's a heavy question. a lot to start. I don't even know what gadget to share that really embodies basically consumer technology. I saw consumer technology and I saw there are so many creative ways to do it to truly just express what goes in here. You know, your imagination mine, right? I have a quote that's on my bio that's still on my bio which is for Mosmith technology is the absolute necessity to advance human imagination. So I kind of took that and and started off with webcams um started off with one computer ended up having eight. When was it? 200 oh gez it was way before COVID uh 2016 when was I made my Twitch channel but I really started taking off probably in 2018. Chat help me out chat look I got floating chat 2017 I would say 2017 2017 and and did you have a day job then? Yeah, I did. And um I it was I was going to get promoted at this Well, I was going to get a a higher paying day job. What What was your day job? Uh it it was working it was working at Ross. Also also before that I was working two jobs essentially. Target electronics at All right. So it was a day job but it wasn't a day career yet. Mhm. No, I was going to get a day career for it working for the US governmental prison system. Wow. Yeah. It was a stable job, benefits, everything. And then, you know what? You know why I didn't get the job? I missed the call because I was streaming. Ah, I was streaming my part-time thing as an affiliate. And I get a call. I I missed it because I'm just goofing off with chat. I was like, "Oh, gez." I think that was the call from the the interviewer. It's like, guys, I kind of needed that job. That was like a salary job. And then and then just life kind of blew up from there. All right. And so for um uh for anyone who doesn't know Sushi, if if you're looking for someone who's going to push the limits on technology in streaming, Sushi is your man. Okay. He's always um uh thinking through new things. The interesting thing is talk about your technical background because you were not a software engineer. Nope. Um but you do all sorts of stuff now. I I I had a joke that I was an MIT graduate. Not even I I didn't I failed college like I dropped out of college three times. Um you know Wait. So you were very successful at dropping out of college. It sounds like Yeah. You're extremely skilled. That's a good That's a good joke. Yeah. Um and and and really good at procrastinating and all that, but yeah, I tried three times. Chat, can I show chat real quick? Look, chat's on my screen and I see chat through my through my little phone, but also the phone can show me as well. Okay, now remember Sushi, we're going to do all the wow stuff a little bit later podcast. Yeah. Yeah. We're We're going to You're going to have to talk for a little while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, hi. I just want to say hi to chat. Hi, chat. Um, mom was proud. So, what? Oh, yeah. My background, right? So, Target Electronics, I loved So, my job at Target Electronics, uh, they loved me because I had such an enthusiasm for just consumer gear and and tech and just tinkering. So they I kind of knew what this camera did, what that camera, the memory card, the speeds and everything, the USB. Um, and that's my background pretty much tinkering with RC stuff, cars and video games. So, okay. So, before we get into other topics, I'm going to start with this topic because I think everyone will appreciate this as they see the conversation and I'm curious about your thoughts about um this. So, um, so a lot of times streamers identify as being somewhere on the ADHD spectrum. I do. And it's almost like, um, the way I describe sushi is sushi is to people with ADHD, he's someone that has ADHD like squared or tripled or quadruple. Oh, yeah. What is the difference? There's ADD and there's ADHD. Hyperactive. You probably have the ADD one. No, I'm also No, no, no. I I have the hyperactive one too. Really? Go Super Saiyan with me then. 3 2 1 Super Saiyan Dad can't do it. Only sushi dragon. See, the beauty is that we have talked about this before, but that's moved in and out of Sushi's focus mind. But so no, talk to me about how you think about ADHD and all that you do because your brain is always moving. Yeah, brain's always moving. Well, it's it's a lack of stimulation. So, uh, my stream kind of evolved around having ADHD. I couldn't just be on one camera. I had to zoom in. I had to just cinema. I had to make s I had to do live actions. I had to this this thing I have on my wrist, if you have a if you're viewing with eyeballs, it's it it's like a fidget spinner, but it's it's called a twiddler. Twiddler 4. And allows me to do fidgety things. So, it keeps my brain locked in. Uh on the website, by the way, if you want to go check it out, it's on my about section down below. Yeah, they they found my stream and they're like, "What? We sold that as a keyboard. Why are you using video production?" I was like, "Well, it works, right?" So, I like to tinker with unconvention. The same thing with the scouter. That's the scouter people us caught wind of my stream and they said, "What? We normally we use this for medical fields and everything. This guy's using it for video production." So they they they they hit me up with more of these. They they send me free ones, streamer benefits, all that. So yeah, the beauty of it is I think you are someone if there's someone that was destined to be a streamer, I think you were the person that was destined to be a streamer. Um really because I feel like streaming though is is more podcasty like you. I feel like this is a very different field. Uh, no. Because the reason is that for so many people with streaming that well they they they do best is people with ADHD have a superpower of being able to process multiple things at once. And so you can be doing something and reading chat and you can be gaming and reading chat and talking to chat while you're gaming and not be stressed out. Whereas a lot of times that could be stressful for people. And the beauty, the reason I say you're sort of like destined is because um you are, you know, at the very end of the spectrum that your brain moves so quick and you need, you need constant stimulus otherwise you start drifting, right? And that's why streaming is sort of perfect for you because you create this world of constant stimulus. Thank you, Dad. That means so much. Is that a cool light effect? It's pretty cool, huh? Mhm. Very cool. DM at DMX. I learned that learned that through streaming, too. But I agree with that. And um I I also agree that doing it live is different from sitting down and editing. I used to edit YouTube videos. Uh my ADD would get would go would go everywhere. And my videos would come out like maybe once every two months. Wasn't didn't end up being a sustainable career, which is why I end up working, you know, at Target Rush. Shout out shout out retail. but also uh the live aspect. I was able to just build out this this kind of um sto this vertical integration of tech that allowed me to express my my thoughts whether the thoughts are good or bad. So So now let's talk let's talk a little bit about tech because anyone who's watching can see that um uh you're in a kind of warehouse. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So um describe what what you like what what is your space? What have you created there? I created essentially a live maker space for me to to make things that you wouldn't normally uh find at like a consumer store. Uh you just like this robot for example, you know, this really was made through uh a lot of pain. Uh this robot has if you if you put on my chat exclamation mark killbot has has crashed into things and it's at its seventh rent like version and I love just prototyping things and seeing what sticks. I noticed a lot of people in the creative creative industry they they make stuff almost as a gimmick. I I didn't make this as like oh look at cool funny robot. This right here is a cameraman that will work for me for 10 plus hours on a charge. doesn't need health insurance. Uh, no employee will ever want to do that. That get that gets heavy. That gimbal that gets super heavy and he just cruises around. I have a remote. Sometimes he autopilots. It's all It's all built on how can I like be that what's that? That Marvel guy where he's like he he has uh No, not not vision. Chat knows what I'm talking about. Um, Mysterio. Mysterio. making making these immersive worlds because truly that that word immersion is what keeps my ADHD locked in. If I'm not immersed, I drift. I just kind of like, oh, all right. I'm bored. What drama do I talk about, Max? Well, now talk about this because um uh when you're streaming Mhm. Uh you are at very high energy. Okay. Not not all the time, but how long will you normally stream for? And and what's it like when you're done streaming? It depends on how immersed I am. And I noticed that uh even with all this, I I can still get bored. So, I start building things on stream that will keep the immersion more expansive. I start thinking like a video game developer. If I make this one effect and the effect goes all over the place, how much value does it have? You know, the flying chat, I can kind of twist the chat. I can make chat stop, you know, like uh and then morph it a little bit and then kind of resize, recenter it. That has a lot of replay value. So, it's like I'm going to add DLCs for myself to to make my world uh uh more immersive, expansive. So, I'm starting to do software and developing on stream and that stuff is not high energy. That stuff I have to lock in and it takes a lot of hours, takes a lot of time. And uh shout out shout out Claude Code for for helping me with that because I can kind of just uh uh think of the idea and and integrate it with the with the help of others. Well, well, since you brought that up, um, uh, and actually, hold on. I want to get to one thing and then I'm going to go back to Claude Code. Um, so when you're, so how long do you stream in in your regular stream? Eight hours. Eight hours. Eight. Yeah. And, um, uh, when you're done streaming, are you still your brain still moving or are you like spent? I try to put I try to put like everything like I try to put on a good show. Um, so I what's it called where you you put it all out on stage. Uh, that way I could just sleep, you know, otherwise I did have moments where yeah, I couldn't sleep after all that energy. So I need to kind of release it both creatively, physically, and mentally at the end of the stream. So at the end of the stream, I'm kind of like I'm kind of checked out. I'm like, okay. But I got used up all my creative because I had improv artists watch my stream when they saw me doing this for 8 hours. They say their cap is like 2 hours. Their mind just fries, you know, cuz you're constantly thinking of a new joke, what to do next. You're your your your your full attention. Whereas uh your normal your normal sustainable stream is side attention. People have your stream on a monitor to the side and etc. But me, I'm thinking I'm thinking the eyeballs are on me 24/7. So, I got to do something, you know? I got to I got to figure out what to what to entertain the show the show people next. Like, it's a live audience out there. So, describe your you of course do a lot of special streams of like cool stuff and oh, this stream, but on your regular stream, right? What are you doing for eight hours? um challenging myself both both creatively and and technically like learning new things uh uh what to implement what what camera would make sense to add next cuz there are you see you see all the successes but you don't see the failures you don't see the one time I opened up a Mac Mini sprayed it with waterproofing thinking that would work uh and then and there's like there's a lot of prototyping on my stream you know seeing Okay, this this you know this whole desk here used to have MIDI controllers and I tried it out for uh when you were in Austin, you saw some of it. I tried it out. I tried to see how I would like MIDI mini controllers for doing my stream production effects and I don't like it. So I'm actually going back to doing touchcreens and then these touchcreens are going to be completely wireless. Oh, let's see. Shout out dead mouse. And then uh stuff like that. Kind of uh t like figuring out what works for me, what flows, what gets me in flow state. Um and when you say what else I'm doing, I'm doing like live requests. So, I'm challenging myself with can I hear a song for the first time, get into flow state, and make live visuals live or just, you know, how DJs, they can see a waveform, and then they know where the drop's coming. I can't see that. It's all improvd. The visuals are improv. So, I have to just get into flow state and see if I can match the visuals. And by matching visuals, I mean stuff like um stuff like uh like like say like there's a dark song coming up, you know, and then you got these you got these visuals and and um uh let's see let me the stream's not lagging, right? That's just the preview. Yeah, everything's good. Okay. So, all right. So, I got, you know, visuals. All right. So, let me So, let let me I guess I I I don't know. I don't want to show the visuals because this is a more of a podcast. Maybe we show them after. Yeah. But, so I'm doing visuals trying to match it. Trying to see if the lighting helps as well. Like adding adding uh lighting with with the visuals to and then maybe adjust it, tone it down a little bit and see what matches. So, I'm doing stuff like that. Um, technical. I'm doing I'm learning I'm learning like how to make my open- source software work with the newest and latest cool camera like DJI. Oh my god, that's T subscribe. Let's go. Good to see you. He was just here. Teammate, thank you. Teammate. Oh my god. I saw you guys had a Hey, Tmay. Let them KNOW YOU'RE MY BOY. WE UH WE WE CAN CAN we collab? Huh? He's here. He's here. He's just just He's a little shy. He's He's a little He's a little shy. Thank you so much for the sub. I get turned into a dragon from my boy Tane. Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate that. That's how many months in now? Oh, 19 months. 19 months with TB. All right. Let's go. Actually, I have a great topic now for Tain because why don't we go back to the Claw Code? Wait, wait. I didn't see the I didn't see the the I didn't see that DM. I swear to God. Where? Where? Wait, wait, wait. Don't tell me I'm ghosting Deep Pain. I I didn't see it. I didn't see I would love to to find it. Where is it? Uh Instagram. Instagram. Uh okay. Sorry. Go on. Go on. Go on, Dad. What were you saying? Or or I can connect you, Sushi. That way you're not ghosting him. Yeah, connect me. IG. IG. Okay. Oh, actually, have you ever have you ever worked with T Payne on any of the stuff HE DOES? NO. OH, NO. That's so sad because him and I we love technology. Uh I have a voice I have a voice clip of Tain. Oh, Sushi Dragon is the best, bro. I understand technology a lot. And you know, I was it back in Tallahassee. She was it in the military. My kids are getting into it. Yeah. But all all his kids is it Tallahassee and T pay's great. Yeah. Sorry. Go on. So So now we will go because actually y'all should really do need to work together because T pay loves his technology. I will tell you I will tell you he loves his technology. It's very impressive and I think you telling your story about what you've been doing with Claude Code might inspire him to also start doing that himself. So talk now about Cloud code has, you know, changed things for you. All right. Cloud code has hacked into my files. Okay. So, the clo I I've been kind of like hesitant on a on AI. I I I've tried Chad JBT, you know. I've said like, "Hey, it hasn't really helped, you know, with my making of effects because what I do is so proprietary. It's so like it's so creatively individualistic that AI didn't really get it." That was until chat chat someone in chat named clockwork ninja gifted me claude code which is like a for six months it's like a $100 and I'm like WHOA THAT'S A FAT DONO so I might as well use it right so I try it out also NAS sorry Nastu well NAS was the one I mean Nast was the developer from Germany who uh who who also convinced me cloud code was going to change my my world whatever right so me not being the the drinking He's going get to the point. Get to the point. Okay. Get to the point. Okay. Okay. Sorry. I'm going to go around in circles. In circles. So, he does I'm getting into this. Um, I link it to my program, my open source program, Chhatain from a French developer. And then I say, so uh I try to I I tell it to do something that took me personally eight hours to do by hand. And then I say I'm like I'm doubting it. It's like it's not going to do it. It spits it out in 30 seconds. And I'm like, "Holy, he just did eight hours of work that I would have had to do when I showed Chad how I would do it. I would show my my desktop and being like, "Okay, I got to link this link. This is why it takes this is why it takes forever for a human to do. Does it just like that?" I'm like, "Okay, okay." So, so the difference between cloud code and and the rest of like the AI stuff is that it goes into your files, you know, and and it's not like it's not like a when I heard about OpenClaw, that's that's when my mind started turnurning because OpenClaw it was what everyone was starting to buy these Mac minis which um I had plenty of. So, I started selling. You don't know what openclaw is? Describe what openclaw is. Openclaw is like an AI agent that goes in your computer, reads your emails, and send out emails. I don't need that. I don't need like like management assistant. That's that's boring stuff for me. I just wanted it to be an agent to help me make effects because I take forever to make a new effect, you know, whether it's or even clean up an effect to make it easier in the eyes. So, uh uh I found out OpenCloud just kind of does emails, but Cloud Code goes into my files and understands my workflow and and and then and then and then builds it out based off how I kind of teach it. So I had to teach it a little bit. Some mistakes here and there, but once I taught it, oh my god, this this right here, chat, this was all built by cloud code. And I love apps that can that can recognize cloud code because what what happens is uh there are certain apps that have like a server that that that understands what's going on. It's basically a natural language. So cloud will understand the language of the app and then that app can be adjusted through cloud code. So, for me to do this, it's so hard to do that manually because uh you got to like make the button the right size, blah blah blah. And it takes forever. I tell it, hey, make it fit this Mac Mini and then make the the font this this this this and it did it. And all I need to do is link it with the software that I use and it's done. By the way, I think the interesting thing about um Claude Code for you is um and I've talked to a lot of folks that use Claude Code is there's a certain speed that all of our creative our brain works in terms of our creativity and our ideas, but then it takes a certain amount of time to translate that into an artifact. And in the old world, the time it took to come up with a cool idea for an app or a program or something and then the time to actually create the artifact that could accomplish that idea. In software engineering, sometimes it could be two, three, four weeks, right? And so and now with plot code a a software engineer the the frequency with which they can come up with ideas and then the time it takes to turn those ideas into reality shortens and you're a great example where you're constantly coming up with ideas right that your brain rapid prototyping rapid prototyping but it used to take you a fair amount of time to ex to manifest your ideas yeah and I I've started from scratch too many times Dan I used seven PCs. I hated updating seven windows. So, I got it all down to a Mac a Mac Studio that I've I've talked to many times. Uh so, now I'm down from seven PCs to just one Mac Studio doing really all the good all the hard work, all the good hard work, you know. Uh and and it helps doing that because understanding understanding my software helped me tell Claude code what to do for me. I I think a lot of people consider AI to be a miracle worker and they're like make me this and they don't really understand the fundamentals of what this of how to make this is. So me being a kind of an a tinkerer and and and getting into electrical even plumbing uh the basics of it like I'm not going to do it as a tradesman kind of helps me kind of helps me utilize it more efficiently. No, the the thing I find interesting is I think um having spent a lot of time with sushi and I'm a pretty technical person. Okay. Um and one of the things that I always go back and forth with sushi when we're talking about something is I'm like, "All right, that's cool, but we need to make it super simple so anyone can do it, not just you or me or something like that." And that's probably one of the conversations we have the most where I'm saying, "No, no, no. I know why that's so cool, but that can't be this not." And the beauty of Claude Code is it can turn a lot of people to be they we can't turn them into a sushi dragon, but you can turn them into a closer to a sushi dragon. Oh, go on. There you go. Don't let me interrupt you with my effects cuz the people hearing can't see this. I know we we don't want to do Okay, we have a question from chat. When it when it comes to making effects and avatars, how much of them are pre-made components versus design from scratch? They're alling by scratch and I hate it because it's all unconventional way of doing. I'm not using Resolum the way resum artists use it. I'm not using Chitain, which is kind of open. You can do anything. I'm not using OC Pilot the way Dead Mouse designed it. And I'm not using uh a lot of these programs the way people the industry people use it lighting. But you do but sushi that is true but you build off of these programs. Let's take for example I do you still you're still using an old version of snap camera. Is that true? Okay. So some of the effects suddenly do is you still have snap camera running. Right. And so the interesting with with Sushi is he doesn't do it all from scratch. Okay. No, I manipulate. Manipulate. Yes. He pieces these things together. And gets them to work. So that's using Snap Camera right now. Yeah. Um but yeah, that's using Snap Camera. So um Okay. So what components? So yes, some of it's like straight made from scratch and some of it's manipulated uh on existing consumer tech. Do you know why I use the word consumer tech a lot? Because those big AAA companies spend billions of dollars in R&D to make it to make it reliable, to make the DJ reliable. And I kind of just skip that process of making things reliable and I just use it and then find what makes it reliable for me. So triple uh you know so I would say I what was the question? That's okay. I'm not expecting you answered the question. We're going to move on to the next question. All right. Let's go. Okay. Next question. Uh all right. So he he also wanted to know help him understand give him an example of something that took eight hours that Claude Code now does in you know 10 minutes. It's easier to show than it is for me to explain. That's the reason why I I dropped out like three times. I I did I did not I was one of those students who who picked up visually and and and in person versus a student who just kind of have to hear the professor and and listen. So, uh I do I do examples like this a lot. So, I would show them um how like I'm showing my desktop right now and then I would show them how it would how long it would take. So, this is a human trying to link up actions, right? So I'm linking up actions. Uh I'm licking let's see a generic action linking to a parameter value linking to uh a state that is another processor uh consequence doing like I'm doing all this. So these this is all the work that I have to do that and when you have by the way one way for them to think of this is since you're using so many of these other systems you're often piping and connecting things together cuz you take this and then you route it to this and then that routes to using this API and so you have to piece all these other things together. Yeah. A lot of work to do. Yeah. Because a lot of the time spending is just is just like just like focusing and like, okay, don't miss this. Don't miss this connection because if I miss this connection, everything breaks, you know? Uh the the robots the robots never miss a connection cuz they I don't know, man. They're made out of metal. It It's just they're so uh I mean they the way that Claude Co does it. Um, it can make mistakes, but me being I don't have to be conscious of making those tiny mistakes. I only have to see the bigger picture. It's like, oh, hey, fix that. Oh, it doesn't work. Fix that. So, that's that's the time saving. I I'll tell you a story from my son. Um, he was um he he is not an engineer, okay? I was trained as an engineer. That's my background. Although I I it's been a while since I've written code. But he it did not take any engineering in college whatsoever. any computer scientists? None whatsoever. Okay. And um he was um he hurt his back and he had already been playing a lot with AI and was doing some other stuff. But he had hurt his back lifting and so he was stuck in bed and he couldn't move and he was in extreme pain. And one night he took out Claude code to start building. You see Sushi can't just stay. He has to be moving. I'm adding to your story. I'm adding Come on. I I He had an idea for this app about a kind of kind of not just like a fitness tracker but a life tracker that you can track not just fitness goals and diet but other goals you want to set in your life and all that. And he had a particular idea and literally he just started coding it one night and he had a prototype like the next day that was a mobile app that he was playing with. look what I just built because he was up all night using plot code and he had a mobile app out there with someone with no computer science experience. Um and you know it's really so I do encourage people I think the and this is a by the way this is a great example there's lots of challenges with AI okay lots of challenges um and I think we particularly have challenges especially in the Twitch world as we start thinking about all the artists and creatives that AI might affect. Okay. Yeah. Interestingly, software engineers um are it's very different than when is you think of an artist. Okay. And they're all these people that never got trained in the craft of writing code because that took a lot of time and it was hard and it was complex. But that doesn't mean they don't have all these creative ideas, okay, about apps you can build, okay, and things that they would like. And they may be extremely creative. engineers are some of the most creative people. Well, no, no, no. I'm saying these are non These are people that were not trained as an engineer. And in fact, but they actually have all sorts of creative ideas about a cool app that'll do this, a cool app, and they can describe everything, but they couldn't make it into a reality and an artifact. And now with Claude Code and and other programs, too, anybody that has an idea of something that can help them can make it into a reality. So, um, uh, it really is, you know, a game changer for people that have all these creative ideas. I mean, at the end of the day, what we're saying is clad code is great. I look, it's it's not that it's not that like that's the that's the good story to sell, but getting there is not easy. Like even like Claude Code, you have to you have to understand why it's working, you know, or why it's working well for you. All right. This is what we're going to do. Sushi, we're we're going to move on to a new topic topic. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we're going to go into a whole different I got to keep you moving. I got to keep moving. Yeah. Um I I got lasers. You guys want to see the lasers? Check these out. No, we're not doing lasers yet, Sushi. We're doing that after. No lasers. We're doing that in a little while. Okay. So, you have to tell me. You're I'm going to have two questions. First is in the past. Second is in the future. So, you've done a lot of really cool streams out in the world and doing things. Okay. Yeah. You've done some with brands. You've done something. Tell me one that um uh you know, share one of the things you've done in the past and then I'm going to ask you to tell me about one of the things you're going to do in the future. Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. All right. Okay. Um first of all, what's something you've done in the past that you can describe in words? Describe in words. Describe in words. Well, well, this is like Can I do two things I can describe in the past? There's so many, Dan. There's so many many of us. So, Red Bull actually sent me a promo uh little thing, you know, and they I I cuz I used to be a host for a Red Bull show, a live show. So, they sent me this thing, right? Um it's cool. I show it off. I opened it and this whole thing that one one of them one of them lights up. Anyways, they sent me this. That means I'm still in their good grace. um uh hire me again. So they in that box was a small little printer and in in that printer I took a I took a photo of chat and and right here is a photo and Loyal Crystal says, "You have to be the most interesting streamer on Twitch." So then I put this I put this little photo from Red Bull and I I put it over here with the chat so I can always see those those messages. All right, second thing. Second thing I would say the coolest Oh my god, there's so many activations I've done, chat. There's like Samsung, there's uh uh Nike. I would say the Nike one was wild because it used technology. The the Nike one, they pretty much had contractors at New York City build out a a theme park like a Disneyland. Look at this. I still have my I still have my Nike um talent talent uh credentials. But um they built out this whole live set for um for Kaisenat uh Belz sisters me uh and then we just live streamed it but I was able to uh use all my effects. So in this public event I would be like hey sir would you like to go super saiyan? HE'D BE LIKE HECK YES if you go super saiyan I'll give you a a Nike shirt. And he was like yeah. So so so many people you know did these effects in their own different ways their own different characters. And I loved I love seeing my my tools be used creatively in different ways. Sort of like Ari at home, you know, giving them the mic to someone else. Um, so this event they build they build it out, but for them for their their engineering team to to make it work with my tech. I had to spend a whole day of like, okay, here's how it works. There's a computer in there and I need someone to carry the computer around and have a giant screen so I can see the effects like a confidence monitor. Okay, so they they're doing all this and they're starting to use like cuz like they're starting to use wireless technology that uh I haven't even gone into this, you know, this spinning cameras and a wireless technology. I just want to say shout out to JG Twitch staff. I love that guy. one of the very first Twitch staff members I worked with when I did the Jumbotron at at TwitchCon. So, oh my god, Jay, good to see you back, Jay. All right, so Sushi, Sushi, I just want to say I think that's a great example, okay? But I am a little I'm going to give you my answer for mine, okay? And I'm a little hurt that this wasn't yours. Okay, it's when you and I streamed together, okay, and we did improv with the faces. You know, that was that's mine. Okay. Oh, damn. You thought that was good, bro. No, that Dad was here one time, guys, and he danced with all the lasers. No, but this one this one was cooler. You were dancing with all the lasers. He wasn't in there. But the one that I thought was really fun was when we were down in Austin. Yeah. Down in Austin. We were just hanging out, take a character, and suddenly we had to improv. Yeah, but you didn't pay me like Nike did in the characters. No, I did not pay. Like speaking of which, man, we should we should figure out what what cool things Twitch can sponsor next cuz I want Twitch to really push the creative and innovation category. You know, you know, the the R&D. Hold on. Now, we're going to do two last things. Okay. Um two future. You didn't ask me about Um uh no, I'm gonna That's going to be the last one. Okay. But before because that's how we're going to wrap things up is is um about time already that's coming up. Um uh but before that I want to talk about the new tech that's getting you most excited that you have a bunch of people listening right and so what's some of the tech that should be you know starting to play around with? Okay. uh new tech they should uh uh uh Okay. What should um it has to be something they can buy that's not too crazy, right? Not new tech that you're doing. Spot this thing right here. I'm looking at it is it's great. Um it it's great production equipment at a quarter of the cost of what production equipment would normally cost because uh let's just let's just give you an example. A PTZ camera of these features normally would be like a a Panasonic or Sony. PTZ means pan tilt zoom for everyone. Yeah. Yeah. So the Yeah. That's what the professionals use at like industries churches and stuff. $15,000 for one. You can get one of those for 1,200. And not only that, they have other systems like switchers where um you notice how the latency on this on this phone super low. It's it's it's using RTMP. It's not using wireless HDMI. It's not using uh phone to webcam soft. I tried all of that. I tried R&D all ways to get the phone to send me a wireless signal back to me without having to carry a huge battery for wireless HDMI. This guy right here is low latency and it's working through an OBS talent which Obs talent is right here standing here connected to an Ethernet cord connected to my phone that's giving me a wireless camera which I can like switch around and be like that camera. So the beauty of what he's doing for the because I know his brain I I his brain moves so quick. He has that phone wirelessly to the OSpot talent and you could have multiple phones wirelessly to the OSpot talent. And so you can go in anywhere and with the talent you can set up scenes, you could set up three phones on different tripods and now wherever you are you have a multi- camera um uh live streaming studio set up anywhere. Yep. That's the new tech that's coming out. Um that it it's basically uh what's it called? When something was out of reach for consumers because they taxed it like in when YouTube before YouTube was a thing, you couldn't get access to production cameras. Until Sony and Canon came out with proumer uh lens. Yeah. So it it it's more of uh they're they're opening up gates. uh uh that was gatekept gatekeep by industries like they weren't gatekeeper very expensive because they're highend yeah they're very expensive because because the only people who would buy it are people with infinite money which is corporations and churches so they sort of there's a there's a cooler word for that Dan when you give it to the you give it access to the people you know you trickled in I don't know what it was but these spots are great look at the quality I will zoom in I'll zoom now it's not a $15,000 Panasonic quality But does anyone even notice? Like the quality is good enough. You can see the the bores and everything and just not zoomed in enough. You've zoomed in enough. Yeah, I cancelled it right out. Yeah. All right. All right. So So now the question is um uh what is coming up that everyone should know about in terms of something you're planning on doing? Oh, for me you bet Dan. Well, I am everyone co-executive producer for a show called Next season two and we're doing paid watch parties on streamer dab. We're trying to get you're trying to get more people watching it. So, it's going to be live on Twitch then and we're doing paid watch parties in Streamer Dab. But this this show is is is a competition. Um I'm going to be co-ping it. So, a lot of my ideas are going in. Uh, we're going to have uh people compete for a large prize pool as well. What do you think about what do you think about that show? Huh? Next. Well, I love your money money hat. And so, roughly when is it going to be? Coming out June 30th. And it's going to go from it's going to go from it's gonna go from June 30th to November. So, guys, get in on this. Get in on the watch parties so you can earn some money money hat. Yeah, you like that money money hat, huh? Well, so as as a co-p a lot of the behind the scenes that go in behind behind is is is hard work, Dan. It's not like it's not not easy for a streamer to do this. having to go on meetings every day, you know, green like talk to, you know, green light this X that be like, uh, is the logo like here? It's it's a new world. It's a new world out there. I think um I think streamers have a lot of talent that they can they can go beyond their video game. Go on. Sorry. I was wonderful that out there. So, Sushi, thank you for joining and thank everyone for tuning into the podcast. We stream it on Twitch with a live audience. Join us on twitch.tv. TV/twitch for the next show where you can participate in chat. Follow Twitch on socials for announcements, timing, guests for future shows. Don't forget to rate and review. And most important of all, go look up the Sushi Dragon. So everyone, thanks for being here. See you in chat.